Synchronized Bombs Kill Two in Bangalore

In a move “designed to create panic”, at least seven small bombs exploded in Bangalore, earlier today (thanks Janeofalltrades and smallpress):

Bangalore Police Commissioner Shankar Bidri said the seven blasts went off within several minutes of each other at different spots across the city. One woman was killed in an explosion at a bus stop in the city’s Madiwala neighborhood, he said.
Another person died later of his injuries, federal Home Minister Shivraj Patil said.
Bidri said each of the small bombs contained the amount of explosives equal to “one or two grenades” and appeared to have been set off by timers. [AP]

No one has owned the terrorist act, which took aim at the city’s neighborhoods (vs. its companies), as of yet.

The police took pains to say that the city’s famed technology sector did not seem to be targeted, and that the blasts were designed to create panic. The blasts took place in crowded, middle-class neighborhoods. The city has grown rapidly in recent years from a boom in technology outsourcing.
By Indian standards, where several cities have been hit in recent years by large-scale terror attacks, the explosions on Friday were relatively minor. In the last major attack, serial blasts in Jaipur, an historic city and a main tourist hub in western Rajasthan, killed more than 60 people in May. The authorities have said in the past that terror attacks were designed to sow hostility and fear among Indian Muslims and Hindus.

Bangalore city police said it was too early to speculate on who was responsible for the explosions, or the reasons for conducting the attacks. [nyt]

Bangalore was last attacked three years ago, when a professor was murdered at the prestigious IISc:

The December 2005 IISc shooting occurred on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 at the Indian Institute of Science (IISc) in the Indian city of Bangalore, killing Prof. Munish Chandra Puri of IIT Delhi and injuring four, after two or more unidentified gunmen fired at Puri and others. The state government of Karnataka declared the shooting to be a terrorist attack, making it the first such attack in Bangalore. [viki]

My youngest first cousin, Sajan, called us at 3am to let us know that he was safe; his building had been evacuated and he was shuttled home. I hope you hear similar news from your relatives, as I keep the city, the two victims and the wounded in my thoughts and prayers.

110 thoughts on “Synchronized Bombs Kill Two in Bangalore

  1. Will this maddening spiral of death and destruction ever stop? Is there a way out? Or are we condemned to live our lives in fear of a cowardly mass attack?

    Can Bangalore & other places respond to these blasts and how. Careful before listening to Narrow Minded gutless People who support terrorism.

    Wev’e a CM who has let down Karnataka by having Gujarat CM Modi at swearing in and now to follow Gujarat’s model. Gujjus butchered certain minorities and celebrated. But silent of what happened to Gujjus in 4 other countries where Gujjus got it 10 times over. families slaughtered, properties earned over a 100 years or more seized (in one country more than 1 lakh Hindus-Gujjus lost entire savings, property and their women!!) and Gujjus quiet coz its a shame. Is this what we Non-Gujjus want too?

    So when are 1000 people going to rape, kick pregnant women, burn babies and when are Kannadigas going to get it back.

    In Kargil 5 peaks are still with Pakis, more than 400 terrorists were given Safe Passage to end the Kargil Conflict, called a war for votes. Victory? Shame India Shame

    In the Afghanistan plane hijack, the same govt let off Top Terrorists , no options considered, and they scream about how terrorism is all over the place – Wow, and people actually believe them…

    …And we have to pay for it. Expect more and respond by not fearing and moving around, there will be much more as long as this government made up of cheap rabble are around. Once again – is this what we want?

  2. If you’ve forgotten there was Tamil – Kannadiga violence in Bangalore too, this could be a probable cause.

    Thanks Sherlock Holmes. Could it be that Chennai is envious of Bangalore’s IT success and Karunanidhi planted a few bombs in Bangalore?.

  3. No, I have not, but I stand by my comment and the larger point I was trying to make. Minimizing these bombings is in poor taste, in my opinion. We don’t get heart-stopping, 3am phone calls from Bangalore if there’s been a traffic accident.

    As someone who has significant links to Bangalore – I lived there for many years ( very near Madiwala) and still have economic ties to Bangalore let me assure that I was not trivializing the bombings. It has a direct impact on me in more ways than one. I was making a joke of the Traffic in bglore which is terrifying. eg waiting to cross for 15 mins with no footpaths.

    Unlike many Westerners who shudder at the thought of terrorism, most Indians just get on with their life. Shit happens. eg Bombs have gone off in Bombay – city is still very much alive.

  4. Instead of inflamming communal tensions against what is still a very moderate and liberal south Indian Muslim population, those among us who are educated should actually be responsible and wait for more evidence

    Thats right, Hindus are at mercy of “very moderate and liberal south Indian Muslim population” and if anything is said against these very moderate Muslims they may become extremists. Wah Bhai Wah.

  5. Unlike many Westerners who shudder at the thought of terrorism, most Indians just get on with their life. Shit happens. eg Bombs have gone off in Bombay – city is still very much alive.

    But is that necessarily a good thing? then should terrorist attacks just be considered a freak bad luck occurence? something like, falling down an elevator shaft, car accident or lightning strike?

  6. I think an update is required.

    Another set of bomb blasts in Ahmedabad. this is getting extra frequent than I expected. Hope the casualties are minimal.

  7. i’m horrified at the bombs going off in ahmedabad and bangalore, especially since i grew up in ahmedabad. i’m also worried it’ll spark off communal fighting in ahmedabad like there was in 2002. modi is still very powerful there. i’m not overly sympathetic towards muslims however those ahmedabad riots were aimed at very poor defenseless muslims which was not right.

  8. This may not be over. The only good news is that the explosives so far have been very low-yield. I saw a picture of a bus and except for two rows of seats on one side, it was fully intact.

  9. Both the terror attacks were made on BJP states. The one in Ahmedabad was in Maninagar, Modi’s constituency. This will give BJP more political mileage. Point is that the BJP and RSS are not brianless muslim haters but reactionary movements against muslim atrocities.

  10. i’m not overly sympathetic towards muslims

    I like that sentiment. Why would one have any sympathy for the Indian Muslim carpenter, mechanic, rickshawdrive, fruit vendor. They are all usually plotting Global Jihad and planning to put Non-Muslim Indians under Dhimmitude.

  11. Point is that the BJP and RSS are not brianless muslim haters but reactionary movements against muslim atrocities.

    Good point brother. The R in the RSS stands for Resistance.

  12. 61 · Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery said

    I like that sentiment. Why would one have any sympathy for the Indian Muslim carpenter, mechanic, rickshawdrive, fruit vendor. They are all usually plotting Global Jihad and planning to put Non-Muslim Indians under Dhimmitude.

    A muslim fruit vendor might not have a direct hand in the explosion but the same fruit vendor will protest on the streets against Iraq war but you will not see him protesting against these terror attacks in his own country.

    “Terrosism is not an act of individuals but of collective muslim consciousness”

  13. http://in.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/26ahd3.htm

    Minutes before the Ahmedabad serial blasts, an email was sent to the Gujarat police which is now in the possession of the Intelligence Bureau. It read: Stop us if you can.

    Intelligence Bureau officials told rediff.com that the email had been sent out by the Indian Mujahideen, a less known outfit which was slowly trying to spread its tentacles in the country.

    The Indian Mujahideen in its email also said its intention was to cause panic and fight political outfits which were opposed to Islam. The mail further read, ‘We the Indian Mujahideen have carried out attacks and will continue to do so. Stop us if you can.’

  14. “Terrosism is not an act of individuals but of collective muslim consciousness”

    I believe terrorism is the third pillar of Islam, after prayer, charity and before the pilgrimage.

    A muslim fruit vendor might not have a direct hand in the explosion but the same fruit vendor will protest on the streets against Iraq war but you will not see him protesting against these terror attacks in his own country.

    Topcat: I like how you are so non-PC and say it like it is. We need patriots like you to stop the spread of Eurabia to America where it will be called Arabrica. I also agree that every Indian Muslim fruit vendor and rickshaw puller is indirectly responsible for any acts of terrorism committed by Muslims.

  15. I believe terrorism is the third pillar of Islam, after prayer, charity and before the pilgrimage.

    I know you are trying to be sarcastic, but is ‘jihad’ one of the pillars of islam?.

  16. What kind of terrorist worth his salt would set off low yield bombs designed to minimize casualties? Whoever did so should have his degree from the Bin Laden Institute of Terror revoked. Unless of course, it was an intimidation tactic used to whip up support for the BJP and right wing Hindu outfits…

  17. 68 · Johnny Valker said

    What kind of terrorist worth his salt would set off low yield bombs designed to minimize casualties? Whoever did so should have his degree from the Bin Laden Institute of Terror revoked. Unless of course, it was an intimidation tactic used to whip up support for the BJP and right wing Hindu outfits…

    The kind of upstart terrorist who does not have access to RDX, C4 etc. The BJP doesnt need to do anything more to win in Gujarat. Successive years of 11% growth and a hardline stance so far on terrorists will give it all it needs. What you are stating is inflammatory and without merit.

  18. 65 · Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery said

    I like how you are so non-PC and say it like it is. We need patriots like you to stop the spread of Eurabia to America where it will be called Arabrica.

    We need our own desi Bill Mahers and Stephen Colberts… Dont we? Its time to get out of the bollywood mentality where there is a deliberate attempt to build positive stereotypes of muslims (remember the movie Black Friday was not released for 4 years because it showed muslims as they are)

  19. 70 · Topcat said

    remember the movie Black Friday was not released for 4 years because it showed muslims as they are

    Well, even if you believed in the original sin of all Muslims (“as they are”), Black Friday was not released because it might affect a pending prosecution. And, ostensibly, to feed the persecution paranoia of “Bill Mahers and Stephen Colberts” such as you.

    Pagal, why bother with the trolls?

  20. 69 · anthroguy said

    The kind of upstart terrorist who does not have access to RDX, C4 etc.

    Pipe bombs don’t require advanced explosives and cause far more damage than these bombs did. And my comments were no more inflammatory than some of the above posters claiming that all Indian Muslims in some way or another support terrorist attacks.

  21. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Pillar_of_Islam

    Traditionally, in Sunni school of thought, there are five pillars of Islam. The sixth pillar aka Jihad is not mentioned in the hadith books which reference the other five pillars of Islam. I think adding jihad as the sixth pillar is still thankfully confined to terrorists and Islam disliking right wingers.

  22. 74 · Ponniyin Selvan said

    But it claims jihad to be a pillar of Islam.

    You omitted to mention what the article says: that the claimants are mostly Islamic Jihad terrorist organizations.

    This is like saying that embracing pollution through cannibalism and necrophilia are tenets of Hinduism, or that group sex and incest are principles of Christianity.

    But I hear it can be a struggle for self improvement (e.g. AA, Weight Watchers)

    You omitted to mention that you also hear that’s how the po’ stateless Palestinians interpret it.

  23. But I hear it can be a struggle for self improvement (e.g. AA, Weight Watchers) & not just armed conflict.

    I think technically thats true and it has been used in Islamic text for purposes other than war. But in common parlance, I have always heard Jihad used as a concept of war, at least in the desi Muslim community. I cant speak for Arabs and other groups. Since 9-11, some Muslims in the US are trying to defend the term ‘Jihad’ as to mean ‘struggle’ but I think its mostly to stop the ridiculing of Islam.

  24. I think the Shitte Twelvers also believe in ‘Jihad’ as an extended pillar of Islam though I am not sure about the context in which they include Jihad.

  25. 78 · Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery said

    I have always heard Jihad used as a concept of war, at least in the desi Muslim community. I cant speak for Arabs and other groups

    even this usage is a relatively recent revival of the term. When Bin Laden and the other Afghan Arabs were calling for jihad against the USSR, the majority of Muslims were perplexed because jihad in this sense had not been used since the early days of Islam. It would be analogous to American televangelists calling for a religious Crusade to oust the infidel from Christian land.

  26. When Bin Laden and the other Afghan Arabs were calling for jihad against the USSR, the majority of Muslims were perplexed because jihad in this sense had not been used since the early days of Islam.

    I disagree. I think the majority of Muslims were well aware of the term. I am not sure if we can Lexis the Muslim publications around the world, but I am sure this term was in usage before the Afghan war against the Soviets.

  27. Man the endless analysis and inaction of people here is mind-numbing. You guys must be the kids of ‘babus’ from India, heavy of talk and little on action. This babugiri needs to end, enough already.

    Confront your pakistani friend on their donations supporting jihad in kashmir, I have numerous times.

  28. I have read Ayesha Jalal’s recent book on Jihad. Partisans of Allah, Jihad in South Asia Page 200 : Maulana Azad (so called Indian “secularist” “natinalist” Muslim ) on Jihad during the first world war:

    Faced with Western political and cultural aggression, all believers had a duty to engage in Jihad in the way of Allah and must remember that while others were masters of their own lives, the lives of Muslims were the property of God”.
  29. Ponniyin: I think there are numerous references to Jihad in the last couple of centuries. Thats pretty well established. If we could do a Lexis search, the term will probably come up as being used pretty frequently.

  30. Re 76:

    Traditionally, in Sunni school of thought, there are five pillars of Islam. The sixth pillar aka Jihad is not mentioned in the hadith books which reference the other five pillars of Islam. I think adding jihad as the sixth pillar is still thankfully confined to terrorists and Islam disliking right wingers.

    Yes, the notion of Jihad as a sixth pillar is considered heretical (or at best schism-producing) by most Sunni Muslims; while the idea is pushed by Islamic Jihad and terrorists now, it was initially introduced by a third sect, the Khawarij, which has largely died out. However, the Ismailis, a subsect of Shi’a Muslims, have seven pillars, of which the seventh is Jihad, but used in the inner struggle sense (even by the Druze, an Shi’a Ismaili sub-subsect, who have rather a martial reputation and history).

  31. But it claims jihad to be a pillar of Islam. You omitted to mention what the article says: that the claimants are mostly Islamic Jihad terrorist organizations.

    Excuse me. where did you find that info. in the wiki page I pointed?.

  32. 86 · Ponniyin Selvan said

    Excuse me. where did you find that info. in the wiki page I pointed?.
    Most Sunni Muslims believe there are precisely five Pillars of Islam, and consider the concept of a sixth pillar to be heretical. The idea of there being more than five pillars is not a mainstream idea; Sunni leaders have taught that there are only five major pillars of the faith. A few Muslims, mainly some Kharijite groups in ancient times and the founder of Islamic Jihad recently, have taught that Jihad, or personal struggle, should be considered the sixth pillar of Islam. In this context, Jihad is viewed as external war against those perceived to be enemies of Islam.[citation needed]

    Also read about the modern Kharijities in the wiki link.

  33. 81 · Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery said

    I think the majority of Muslims were well aware of the term

    True, but the concept of jihad as a religious battle with the kuffar was largely seen as anachronistic at the time. Remember that secular pan-Arabism and nationalism were far more popular from the 1940s-1970s than any sort of religious movements were. The use of the term “mujahideen” before this was largely confined to odd Marxist fringe groups like the Mojaheddin-e-Khalq that enjoyed little popularity.

  34. Re 79:

    I think the Shitte Twelvers also believe in ‘Jihad’ as an extended pillar of Islam though I am not sure about the context in which they include Jihad.

    Pagal, I don’t think it is the Twelvers; only the Ismailis — but I could be wrong.

  35. 82 · DesiInNJ said

    Confront your pakistani friend on their donations supporting jihad in kashmir, I have numerous times.

    What about your family members that join Durga Vahini?

    In 2006, women belonging to the Durga Vahini, leaded by Bajrang Dal activist Babu Bajrangi, beat up boys and girls at the Gujarat College and Sahjanand College in a Chetavani Abhiyan (warning campaign) acting as “moral police”. Even those sitting in college canteens were also beaten. The women activists threatened the youngsters by waving hockey sticks and baseball bats. Babu Bajrangi labeled these Durga Vahini members as “the Rani of Jhansi” and said “I will not stop my drive against Muslims youths trying to defile Hindu girls”. However they did not find any Muslim man and manhandled anyone sitting with a girl. Virendra Chauhan, the general secretary of the Gujarat College, who was also beaten up by the activists[13] said, “None of the students beaten up were Muslims. They asked for name or religion and went about beating up the youths”.
  36. Most Sunni Muslims believe there are precisely five Pillars of Islam, and consider the concept of a sixth pillar to be heretical. The idea of there being more than five pillars is not a mainstream idea; Sunni leaders have taught that there are only five major pillars of the faith. A few Muslims, mainly some Kharijite groups in ancient times and the founder of Islamic Jihad recently, have taught that Jihad, or personal struggle, should be considered the sixth pillar of Islam. In this context, Jihad is viewed as external war against those perceived to be enemies of Islam.[citation needed]

    But the page never claims this

    that the claimants are mostly Islamic Jihad terrorist organizations.

    Anyways, according to Ayesha Jalal, jihad has been the part of Islam from early days though you know she claims it is the good “inner struggle” variety with occasional killing of infidels.. :-)

  37. 83 · Ponniyin Selvan said

    Page 200 : Maulana Azad (so called Indian “secularist” “natinalist” Muslim ) on Jihad during the first world war:

    So, PS, are you denying that Maulana Azad was a nationalist? If you think involvement in the Khilafat Movement made Azad partisan or non-secular, then I guess Gandhi could be labeled non-secular for his overt involvement in issues of Hindu reform or his appropriation of Hindu religious texts to inspire nationalistic thought and action within the public. There is really no need to conflate what Azad meant by jihad with what we understand it to mean today. This is pernicious revisionism.

    notes from Wikipedia on Azad:

    Azad became a leader of the Khilafat Movement during which he came into close contact with Indian leader Mahatma Gandhi. Azad became an enthusiastic supporter of Gandhi’s ideas of non-violent civil disobedience, and worked actively to organise the Non-cooperation movement in protest of the 1919 Rowlatt Acts. Azad committed himself to Gandhi’s ideals, including promoting Swadeshi (Indigenous) products and the cause of Swaraj (Self-rule) for India. He would become the youngest person to serve as the President of the Indian National Congress in 1923. Azad was one of the main organisers of the Dharasana Satyagraha in 1931, and emerged as one of the most important national leaders of the time, prominently leading the causes of Hindu-Muslim unity as well as espousing secularism and socialism. He served as Congress President from 1940 to 1945, during which the Quit India rebellion was launched and Azad was imprisoned with the entire Congress leadership for three years. Azad became the most prominent Muslim opponent of the demand for a separate Muslim state of Pakistan and served in the interim national government. Amidst communal turmoil following the partition of India, he worked for religious harmony. As India’s Education Minister, Azad oversaw the establishment of a national education system with free primary education and modern institutions of higher education. He is also credited with the foundation of the University Grants Commission, an important institution to supervise and advance the higher education in the nation.
  38. Ponniyin: I think there are numerous references to Jihad in the last couple of centuries. Thats pretty well established. If we could do a Lexis search, the term will probably come up as being used pretty frequently

    I think as I mentioned in my earlier comment, jihad goes back to early days of Islam and in the context of South Asia, not just the last couple of centuries, there are references to calling for jihad against infidels from Sheikh Ahmad Sirhandi (in the Akbar period) in the 17th, Shah Waliullah in the 18th century,and assorted imams in the 19th and continuing with Maududi in the 20th. I believe these guys are not street corner imams and according to Jalal quite influential and work up quite a few believers into frenzy. And many Muslim kings played along too.. I have heard Zia changed the motto of Pakistan army to jihad in the name of Allah or something like that. I’m not sure..

  39. You omitted to mention that you also hear that’s how the po’ stateless Palestinians interpret it.

    Checkpoint Fenster: I was in a contemplative mood after I got back from last night’s festivities and I decided to wage war, or “jihad” if you will, against my own prejudices. I drunk dialed some experts in palliative care at Mass Gen and asked them to objectively rank (greatest pain at the top, descending order)several scenarios. These are the results: a) Pain of Palestinians b) Pain of having your thigh broken c) Pain of child birth d) Pain of a eight year old upon learning there will be no “Bouncy Castle” at her 10th bday e) Pain of an MFA’s “dark night of the soul” f) Pain of Hindus displaced by Partition, Pak Civil War, Kashmir

    Consider me “flipped”….let’s get back on topic

  40. 88 · Johnny Valker said

    81 · Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery said
    I think the majority of Muslims were well aware of the term
    True, but the concept of jihad as a religious battle with the kuffar was largely seen as anachronistic at the time. Remember that secular pan-Arabism and nationalism were far more popular from the 1940s-1970s than any sort of religious movements were. The use of the term “mujahideen” before this was largely confined to odd Marxist fringe groups like the Mojaheddin-e-Khalq that enjoyed little popularity.

    Isn’t all religion anachronistic? In the most authentic of the six hadith collections, the ninth-century Sahih Bukari mentions jihad 199 times, all in the context of warfare against non-Muslims in an effort to spread Islam.

    Most of that pan-Arabism and nationalism you mention directly resulted from the influence of the rise of the Soviet Union, but religion was always there as a unifying political force. In the early 1940s look at the multi-national (Bosnian, Albanian, Palestinian, Syrian) Islamic division of the Nazi SS, put together by the then Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin Al-Husseini. It was tied into nationalism and anti-colonial sentiments, but religion was still a unifying undercurrent. Incidentally, relatively moderate Cairo must be the only city in the world today were copies of Mein Kampf is openly sold by booksellers on the streets.

  41. So, PS, are you denying that Maulana Azad was a nationalist? If you think involvement in the Khilafat Movement made Azad partisan or non-secular, then I guess Gandhi could be labeled non-secular for his overt involvement in issues of Hindu reform or his appropriation of Hindu religious texts to inspire nationalistic thought and action within the public. There is really no need to conflate what Azad meant by jihad with what we understand it to mean today. This is pernicious revisionism.

    I don’t want to sidetrack the issue here. Anyways, since you asked the question, Maulana Azad said this way before Khilafat movement was started, infact even before turkey surrendered in the first world war. As far as I know, Gandhi never claimed jihad against non Hindus. If he has claimed so, I’d call him a religious nutcase just like I’d call Maulana Azad a religious nutcase.

    You must be blind to not read what Maulana Azad was saying..

    Faced with Western political and cultural aggression, all believers had a duty to engage in Jihad in the way of Allah and must remember that while others were masters of their own lives, the lives of Muslims were the property of God”.

    he..he.. This looks like what Al qaeda is saying now. :-)

  42. Friday’s blasts at Bangalore and today’s (Saturday’s) blasts at Ahmedabad is, to me, somewhat reminiscent of the bombs exploded by JMB in August 2005 in Bangladesh — over 300 bombs exploded in 50 cities in the course of one day, and given the similarity in names (with the caveat that almost all Islamic terrorist outfits try to appropriate the word “Mujahideen” for themselves) and the relative weakness of bombs used, I wouldn’t be surprised if both outfits were offshoots of the same organization.

    That said, the goals appear to be different. In Bangladesh, it was designed to spread wholesale panic, paint the government and law enforcement agencies as ineffective, and serve as a shocking measure of their number and penetration of society (the capture, trial, and subsequent execution of many of the ringleaders mitigated this somewhat). The attacks in Bangalore and Ahmedabad, in BJP-dominated states, seem to be designed primarily to foment communal tensions.

  43. 53 · Ponniyin Selvan on July 26, 2008 07:59 AM

    If you’ve forgotten there was Tamil – Kannadiga violence in Bangalore too, this could be a probable cause.

    Thanks Sherlock Holmes. Could it be that Chennai is envious of Bangalore’s IT success and Karunanidhi planted a few bombs in Bangalore?.

    Tamil-Kannadiga violence a couple of years ago happened for the similar/same reasons that Shiv Sena protests against UP/Biharis and Telangana protests against Andhraites happened. Cauvery, the actor who got kidnapped, the filling up of government and private sector jobs by mostly non-Kannadigas. I was trying to make the point that instead of blaming things on “those Moslems” we had to look at all possible scenarios and not judge someone guilty before proven so.

    I do not see why you felt that it was elementary to start your point with an insult ?

    55. Qasim on July 26, 2008 09:25 AM

    Instead of inflamming communal tensions against what is still a very moderate and liberal south Indian Muslim population, those among us who are educated should actually be responsible and wait for more evidence

    Thats right, Hindus are at mercy of “very moderate and liberal south Indian Muslim population” and if anything is said against these very moderate Muslims they may become extremists. Wah Bhai Wah.

    Are you serious? You found offense in what I said??!?! I’m just baffled, you just took the need for political correctness to a new level. I have to go tell this one lady that she has been bested; she once corrected my girlfriend for calling herself my “girlfriend” and told her to call me her “partner”. Would you rather I have said that there are Hindus at the mercy of the Muslims because their life would be determined by when SIMI as going to have its next meeting?

    65 · Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery on July 26, 2008 12:17 PM

    I believe terrorism is the third pillar of Islam, after prayer, charity and before the pilgrimage.

    79 · Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery on July 26, 2008 01:48 PM

    I think the Shitte Twelvers also believe in ‘Jihad’ as an extended pillar of Islam though I am not sure about the context in which they include Jihad.

    66 · Ponniyin Selvan on July 26, 2008 12:24 PM

    I know you are trying to be sarcastic, but is ‘jihad’ one of the pillars of islam?. This is an FYI and I’m not trying to be smart here…Ismailis do have the Lesser Jihad as a Pillar (I know someone said that it was the Greater Jihad, but if you look at the history of the Ismailis and the way they’ve used the concept it would probably fall under the lesser wouldn’t it?), so do the Druze but they use “Jihad” in the sense that we must do good deeds to eliminate evil rather than eliminating the “evil” itself. The Twelvers follow the five pillars (different pillars they call the “usul”/morals) but have Jihad as one of the 10 rituals that is a responsibility as opposed to the Ismailis who believe it is a requisite.

    77 · Checkpoint Fenster on July 26, 2008 01:40 PM

    This is like saying that embracing pollution through cannibalism and necrophilia are tenets of Hinduism I believe that the Aswamedha involved what can be termed as “simulated beastiality”, part of it was in the sense a “fertility ritual” where the woman feigned having sex with a horse. Sorta like “When Seabiscuit met Sally”

    80 · Johnny Valker on July 26, 2008 01:51 PM

    even this usage is a relatively recent revival of the term. When Bin Laden and the other Afghan Arabs were calling for jihad against the USSR, the majority of Muslims were perplexed because jihad in this sense had not been used since the early days of Islam. It would be analogous to American televangelists calling for a religious Crusade to oust the infidel from Christian land. I don’t think that that is true, the concept of Akbar and Asghar Jihads has existed all through Islamic history if I’m not horribly mistaken and the concepts were used a lot. Even in India during Muslim Rule. The “Televageist” analogy is misplaced and most of their “fight back” tactics as illustrated in the “Bible Camp” movies involve using martial arts and sticks…all they need are short shorts and a khakhi Nehru hat and we will have yet another misplaced reactionary response. It also reminds me of some comedian making fun of the guy who had himself tied to a tree during a Hurricane because he felt that he was in great Physical condition and wanted to brave the Hurricane …the line was “how the * is the number of push-ups you do going to matter when you have a **** car flying at you”

  44. Tamil-Kannadiga violence a couple of years ago happened for the similar/same reasons that Shiv Sena protests against UP/Biharis and Telangana protests against Andhraites happened. Cauvery, the actor who got kidnapped, the filling up of government and private sector jobs by mostly non-Kannadigas. I was trying to make the point that instead of blaming things on “those Moslems” we had to look at all possible scenarios and not judge someone guilty before proven so.

    Did you mean Tamil-Kannadiga violence happened in which both sides used bombs?. Rajkumar fans indulged in rioting during his death by stoning buses and not throwing bombs. We can certainly rule out certain elements while trying to figure out who could have done this. Tamil Kannada violence with the exception of 1991(or 2), I think never resulted in fatalities. Mostly the vehicles with the registration plates of the respective states were broken or prominent symbols associated with either state was broken. That’s about it.

  45. 96 · Ponniyin Selvan said

    he..he.. This looks like what Al qaeda is saying now. :-)

    FYI…this reference to ‘Western political and cultural aggression’ is a nod to imperialism and associated political maneuvering. Anti-imperialist seems like nationalist to me, but maybe you’ve now started denying imperialism and Azad’s denunciation thereof?

    Like I said, Azad’s statement was made in a different era and context, and you’re being deceptively revisionist. From your commenting history, it seems like you are a veiled (sic!!!!) religious nutcase, erasing history to paint a homogeneous portrait of all Muslims through all time.

    From the Maulana here:

    If an angel were to descend from the clouds today, settle on the Qutub Minar of Delhi and proclaim from there that India will attain Swaraj provided Hindu-Muslim Unity is renounced, then I would renounce Swaraj and not sacrifice Hindu-Muslim Unity, because if Swaraj is delayed, it is the loss to India, but if Hindu-Muslim Unity is lost, it is the loss to humanity.

    Will you take him at his word here?