…by which I mean ignorance and racism; I have nothing against ancient warriors who had little to do with the lush paradise in which my parents were born. I’ve largely refrained from the “Scythian”-drama on SM, which has now pindered out to the point where it’s almost an inside joke: “But is she SCYTHIAN??”, etcetera ad nauseum.
Behold, the stunning nescience below, which inspired this unexpected post:
Well not all Punjabis are Scythians, but some are. I don’t look like the small, dark and gumpy looking people there. I’m totally a 6’4″ tall, 220 lbs. White Scythian, not just in complection, but in those jagged Iranic/Germanic Scythian features. U.S. Born, and a U.S. Marine too. Not some unkempt, short darkie, goofy looking son of a bitch like most of those Indian fuckers are. Don’t forget about the Pashtunic, Scythian, White Hun, Magog descendents who decided to stay on the Indian side during 1947. And changed their names to Singh. I got nothing in common with most Singhs, I’m all-American here. My blood’s totally of White Hun/Scythian and Greek lineage. I should change my name back to our original Scythic/Hun and Greek surnames, before my ancestors made the hair brained idea to stay on the Indian side. When they should have fought hard to preserve their Princely States, which do not belong to India or Pakistan. I got nothing in common with Desis in appearance and culture. They’re as bad as the Muslims! The problem is, is that most here are NOT Scythians, so they won’t understand, but it’s foolish to claim that all are Scythic, or none are Scythic. However some are. Also a lot of pure Scythians left India in 1947 and the time after that to come to America. Since their high civilization of their Princely States were robbed and dissolved by the Desis. No worries, though, we’re florishing well here. Just I’m against the current immigration of all these undesirables who don’t belong in America. The immigration rules of the 1950’s, 1960’s were excellent in America. But not anymore, today. With the way things are going, America’s gonna be another 3rd World cesspool if they don’t close the doors to immigration. But it’s all Commie New World Order and the Bibilical End Times now. So go figure. [for shame]
Hmmm. I wonder if he realizes that most of our darkie desi parents came here during that “excellent” era for immigration, i.e. 1965.
Look.
I’m all for being proud of one’s roots and heritage. I’m certainly not ashamed of my undesirable, small, dark and gumpy (??) past. I’m also proud of the fact that like this commenter, my sister is active duty Air Force; I’m a total cheerleader for our troops, but that doesn’t mean I’ll overlook the egregious. You see, there’s being proud and then there’s being pejorative. One can be the former without resorting to the latter. Shocking concept, I know.
If you are someone Gujjar, Sindhi, Kashmiri or whatever and you have some logical right to claim Scythian ancestry, then bully for you. I was always taught that Scythians were blood-drinking, pot-headed, parent-devouring cannibals who didn’t even have a written language, but whatever floats your quasi-supremacist boat. π I keed, I keed.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that you Scythians are unique and special. Just like everyone else. You’re no better or worse. Just like everyone else. So why this fixation on differentiating yourself from us when you quite probably have some of our small, darkie genes too, even if they haven’t expressed themselves in your tall, broad-shouldered, Aryan phenotype? What is up with the proto-racism?
And if you are excessively proud of your purported background, why come to a site populated by inferior darkies to crow about it? People who own Ferraris are fine with obeying the speed limit/staying out of the extreme left lane, I’ve seen it myself. It’s the poser in the uber-modded ________ who has something to prove– and behaves deplorably.
Since I commenced this post because of a comment, let me end with one, too. This was Chachaji’s response to CinnamonRani, over on the Skin Color Matters thread:
I think discrimination based on skin color(or for that matter discrimination based on any visible markers of difference) is an innately human behavior. It takes a lot of conscious effort to see beyond the visible marker at an individual level. This requires training, sensitization, consciousness raising, and it has to happen all the time, in every generation. Although one makes distinctions precisely because one is human, it is also because one is human that one can become aware that one is doing so, and learn not to base significant decisions on these markers. People who claim they are not racists are often being not so much dishonest as ignorant of their own psychological processes. [link]
Better yet, have a cup of Possibly Scythian-descended Camille:
…Honestly, when people say this, I wonder if folks recognize that this is just another way of playing into ideas of white supremacy and a “white on top” racial hierarchy? PARTICULARLY when they start throwing in color (e.g. “Oh I’m much more like (fair-skinned) Aryans than (dark) south Indians.” It’s racist and stupid, through and through…[link].
What do you think? Be respectful, please. I’d love to have a discussion where we hash this out, for once and all, but that won’t happen if this thread gets shut down. Scythe away at each other accordingly. π
Wow…with fellow Indian like this (is it okay to call him/her Indian?), who needs enemies?
I’m sorry, but I have to say that the comment should have been ignored. If you commenced looking for idiotic, racist, moronic, antediluvian, effete, intolerant comments on the web and writing about them, you’d be writing for the rest of you life. We know there are people (in the world) who make comments like this, think like this and sometimes talk openly like this. If the idea is to change their minds, I think their friends and those close to them would be likely to be more successful than you or I commenting or blogging about them. So I guess I respectfully fail to see–at a strictly utilitarian level– the point of this post.
But I didn’t commence looking for it. Someone left it right here. Some of you even noticed.
Yes, some of them frequent this site. It’s also come up recently in a few comment threads; I thought I’d delve in to it a bit, in case others wanted to.
But some of these people ARE our friends and they ARE reading this. That’s why I thought this might be useful. If nothing else, people who didn’t know that this mentality exists among us, now do.
Thanks for disagreeing so respectfully!
There is something wrong when a guy’s biggest accomplishment is being 6’4″.
I can just picture this guy in a New York club trying to explain to a group of white women his “ScythianΓ’β¬Β background makes it is okay for them to have sex with him because it really isnt “inter-racial”
I mean this guy uses the phrase “princely land”! Who the fuc# talks like that besides little girls playing pretend?
Guy: Yes I come from princely lands girl: So, you’re a prince? Guy: No, its just that the lands are very princely. girl: What the hell are you talking about? Guy: What I mean is that someone was once a prince and they had the same skin tone as me. girl: Yea and Im white and so is Tom Brady, does that make me from the superbowly lands, you tard?
I had written a response to that wannabe “scythian” but the comments were closed:
You silly ignorant “scythian”, most of the nutjobs who claim scythian ancestry are jatt sudras. Thats the servant caste in hinduism, not the warrior or priestly caste. Get it? Dont get too flattered by the guy playing the sikh, he is half-european.
By the way, Kristin Kreuk is actually a pretty decent representation of the Mughal muslim conquerors of India who were of turco-mongol ancestry. Babur, who founded the Mughal Dynasty, was descended from Changez Khan of Mongolia and Tamerlane (Timur Lenk) of Central Asia. Tamerlane himself claimed descent from Changez Khan and his mongoloid ancestry is confirmed by reconstruction of his exhumed skeleton by russian scientists.
What I want to know is why “Scyth” is reading and posting on a desi-centric site when he/she claims not to be Indian?
Ditto to Chachji’s response.
pretty sad when the only accomplishment that a loser can claim is belonging to some half forgotten savage race from the caucasus/Urals.I guess if the tribe of his savage ancestors had stayed on in their native land,there’s a pretty decent chance they wouldnt have survived the depredations of Mongols,Huns,Nazism,communism,chernobyl,various economic meltdowns,famines,AIDS.
Prema, Its funny how no one knows anything about anyone. To you, “jatts” are your slaves, In Punjab “jatt’s” are land owners/farmers. In Punjab, if you own land, you are rich and if you own land in Chandigarh, your a millionare. I am so confused!!
Anyway, this caste stuff is BS. Everyone get over yourselves!
I never heard of this Scythian BS before reading references to it on SM. Honestly, it’s pathetically hilarious. The ‘Scythian’ above is of a self-hating variety not seen among desis since…probably the early 20C Aryan-wannabes trying to get into the Brit-only clubs or something.
what precisely is a scythian? can i go to scythian land and see some of them living in a scythian village somewhere?
This is the average comment that you get in jatt world.
This is a silly post to respond to BUT as a seriously northy guy (from the very top of jambudweep as it were) i have come across this kind of attitude in some fellow northies. There is also an undertone of this type of racism in the various “freedom movements” in north india. I am not going to address the issue of pakistani self-image but it follows along similar lines with a bonus islamic twist to it.
THe good news is this: while some folks up-north were busy with this kind of gibberish our southern fellow citizens were hitting the books and educating their women right. Result: the indian south leads today and will continue to lead heavily in economics, job creation, culture and ultimately coolness. So these dudes better start learning some tamil, telugu of kannada – that will really help when than good job opens up down south.
yeah. but the guy is “all american”. sounds like a brown dude tring to get into an all white country club in connecticut by claiming to be scythian (whatever that means).
That’s probably true of most of us. π
Wow, this is a wonderful day, I am so enlightened. I just realized my body is full of oodles of Sycthian blood and I am supposed to be proud of it. And oh, I should now remind myself to hang out with all those Greeks out there – they are so cool anyways. This might also explain why I love Gyros so much, and oh those olives are delightful. And I think since my ancestors moved to the hot land of these darkies, we started turning dark. But nature was kind and to maintain our fair skin, somewhere over the centuries the gray matter in my head got converted to white pigment. Also, now I see while growing up, why whenever I used to see the Swastika, I would feel a strange calling and start running west. And now I know why the one time I saw this magnificent horse, we both knew we had a bond that has stood over time.
why would someone who is “all american” even think about “princely states”. the whole idea of a princely state is as un-american as it gets.
Scyth, I feel your pain. It’s been tough for us ever since the death of these two guys. And Luke. Goddamn Luke. Talk about betrayal.
I maybe wrong, but It seems like that among immigrants to west from India. The darker south indians are much more educated, then the precious fair skin northern indians.
Also the female abortion problem and the runaway groom problem is much bigger in Northern India, then in South India.
Also I’m a fair skin North Indian.
this has nothing to do with logic. has more to do with. im whiter, so im better. white people are rich and smart. im more like them.
Yes, they’ll be quite receptive to all this and shall receive you as one of their own, by smirking and nicknaming you “Habibi”. Scyth desperately wants to be part of a group which wants no part of him.
It’s probably just a way to distinguish oneself from those “kaley Madraasi” types. π
can i make up an ethnic group and claim superiority too?
please add Malayalam to the list otherwise some southies might get offended :).
Funny, funny stuff. Love it! π
For me, when Ardy typed:
…it was funny. Priceless.
hmm…do light skinned “scythian” desis look like generic brown people to non desis?
Take 1-95, drive 73 miles, exit 114. The first right behind the Walmart you will see the sign. If I remember right, its $15 bucks for a car. No RV’s and campers allowed. Ooh and they are very strict about visitors not feeding them. So be careful.
A litte OT here Prema, but you would definitely love to read “My name is Red” by Orhan Pamuk (he won the Nobel last year). It’s about Turkish/Persian miniaturists and the author gives a very detailed explanation of how classically trained miniaturists took their visual cues from their turco-mongol ancestors — this manifests itself in that fact that even illustrations featuring Iranian/Arab noblewomen depicted them with slanted eyes since slanted eyes were visual shorthand for beautiful woman.
funny.
gumpy. i should put that in my shaadi.com profile.
nice gumpy boy looking for gumpy girl to make gumpy babies.
I would agree with what Al Beruni is saying in #12. I too have seen a lot of fascination on being closer to white than brown among a few of my fellow northies and it’s almost disgusting at times. Even in my own relatives I have seen people equate beauty with fair skin – the statement ‘Kinni gori ai, vadi soni kudi ai’ is unfortunately too common. And the point of a Pakistani identity thing, many of them consider themselves as middle eastern. I wish we spent less time obsessing over these things and spent more time liberating our women and studying, the progress of South India was not a fluke.
Someone Scythian just complimented me! This means more to me than when someone dark does, because I want the approval of people who have sharp, Iranic/Germanic features. Wheeee!
If I read his comment right “Schythian” desi is an oxymoron.
But if I remember right, they looked very similar, well except some of them (like the Scyth), I was told, weighed less than most humans. I think by about 2%. I was told it was because of the lack of this thing called the brain.
But still, they responded well to bananas.
…because, of course the middle east isnt a hole that wouldnt sink into barbarism if they didnt have oil.
Look, simply put our Scythian (whatevah that is) chap has a problem, the people he distances himself from don’t. If he wants to preoccupy himself by constantly clarifying his place on some hocus-pocus race totem pole he is going to have a pretty miserable life. In ShallowThinkers skit (#4) the gump who goes up to a woman and says “hey you look nice do you want to get jiggy?” will appear normal, decent and real compared to this Scythian Scoobydoo.
Some genius came up with History of India in C language
char History_of_India(int residents = Dravidians) { int intruders; char Indian_history[ENDLESS];
wend{ intruders = Hindukush::read_stack(); if (intruders==0, Intruders = British Empire); working_their_way_down_the_ganges(intruders); Indian_history += Squabble(residents,intruders); residents += intruders; }while t< END_OF_TIME
return Indian_history }
Yo Yo ..I got better research for his ancestry.. I just traced him back to The Mandrill… Yay!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandrill
Love the Idea of Reuniting the Lost. Happy Tears. Hope I get a Banana for this.
i wonder if these guys will fare better when the “rage virus” k!lls us all. that blood is resistant i think.
Revenge of the Scyth
HMF: I respectfully have to disagree, that comment is more like the 40 year old Scythian.
Anna, How on earth were you even able to figure out that such crap was being written on such an old post?? I clicked back on the links thinking that this was something I missed recently but the original post is from last year! Let’s just leave Scythian there where he belongs-in the past. This guy has some serious issues but he did sound more apologetic in the comment after the one you have above. So I’m guessing that something/someone must have hurt him badly in the past in ref to his ancestry and this thread probably flared it up. I say better to ignore.
We don’t just moderate newer posts. π
well in that case (#42) I think I’ll go back to Anna’s post on the effect of pineapple juice!! :0 )
bg is referring to this, when they state that “Scyth” sounded more apologetic in his second comment:
The Sakas, Greeks, Huns, Persians in blood in the northwest look like Sakas, Greeks, Huns and Persians. So respect them for who they are if you seek to gain any respect back. Anyone can adopt another religion, another langauge, another culture, but it won’t change their race. Provided they don’t mix.
Heh. Pretty apologetic right there…to the Sakas, Greeks, Huns and Persians anyway.
An anthropologist could have a field day with the kind of delusions and conceited lunacy, prejudice and comedic levels of backwardness and moronic ‘pride’ that underlies the ‘Scythian-Kamboh’ white skinned roots castesist mentality displayed here and amongst other people I have stared at in disbelief as they disgorge their ancestry nonsense in word and on page. They like to talk about themselves at length in this deluded and slightly maddened way, so it wouldnt be too difficult to get them in a room and recount their amazing tales. Come on anthropologists and psychiatrists, these are ripe case studies waiting for official scientific humiliation and analysis.
Wow….
Where was this guy when Hitler needed him?
Yeesh.
1) there seems a pretty obvious explicit or implicit preference for lighter skin and ‘sharp’ features amongst brown people in general, even among those who deny the salience of these characteristics. so of course groups which are lighter and sharper will emphasize their superiority, and other groups will always try and emphasize those ‘below’ on the totem pole. i recall this tendency amongst some of my parents’ telugu speaking friends who sharply distinguished themselves from the ‘dravidian’ tamils.
2) that being said, glorying in group level traits seems pretty empirically a good clue that there isn’t much in regards to the individual level traits to brag about. e.g., if someone is an investment banker who has all the ladies i doubt he would be bragging about his dirt farming scythian ancestors. that is the interesting thing: i think almost everyone knows that people who brag about their ancestors lack something in their own self esteem, but those who engage in this sort of behavior can’t seem to help themselves. ultimately it isn’t about how other people view them (i assume that eyes invariably start rolling), it is how they perceive themselves in the great chain of being. if you can’t achieve in your life, you can at least take solace in the fact that you were born the apple of creation’s eye.
Does anyone remember the racist Sikh character from Naipaul’s ‘An Area of Darkness’. When I read that book, I was like ‘wow! I have been meeting such people all my life (not all of them sikhs), and I am glad someone put them down with all their absurdities on paper’.
So can anyone show me a picture of a Scythian Indian person? I’m really curious now.