Yeah. TMBWITW is now one-half of TMFCITW. Ash and Abhi flew in from Mumbai to chat with the talk show Queen today, and sadly, it was still a clusterf*ck of embarrassment:
It was as if she didn’t believe in the Bollywood titans’ fame. Or had to put it in terms that Westerners understood.
“They’re the world’s most famous movie-star couple. More famous than Brad & Angelina, anybody…”
Some pictures flashed onscreen of Justin Timberlake skirting paparazzi as he flung himself into an awaiting limo.
“Now imagine that kind of attention times 1000.” She showed footage of them with some Dutch girls in the stereotypical peaked Dutch caps. “They have FIVE! BILL-YON! fans. In Asia, Europe…” etc.
Then, of course, she had to explain that Julia Roberts had called Aishwarya the most beautiful woman in the world, as if only the opinion of a white celebrity could mean anything to her audience. And she couldn’t let them on without mentioning the issue that tickled her last time Aishwarya was on. “Here’s the best part,” Oprah said, gleeful. “They live at home with his parents.”
Aishwarya was wearing a sari and was gorgeous, etc. Abhishek was his handsome self in a velvet suit. Behind them, Oprah’s set background showed an image of shooting stars, upon which the phrase: “Famous Around the World” had been printed. It looked like the banner you sign at someone’s bat mitzvah. When she tried to make a big deal of how this was their first American national TV interview, Abhishek wasn’t buying it. “We sit together all the time.”
He explained how he had proposed to her on the same balcony where he had first longed to marry her. You could hear the “ahhhh…cute” sighs in the audience.
For some reason, the host thought it would be a good idea to keep talking not about the content of their work or Bollywood versus Western cinema types, but just about how amazingly famous they are.
More on the Oprah Bachchan segment on the MTV Iggy blog, and a full recap of the show (the Julia Roberts/Daniel Craig of every country!) in a second post.
Apparently she has indeed endorsed some skin lightening products in the past:
http://glamourfab.wordpress.com/2009/04/16/sonam-caught-in-loreal-controversy/
including White Glow soap:
http://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainmenttags/aishwarya-rai/blast-past-aishwarya-rais-lux-white-glow-commercial
just sayin……
just sayin……
Ah well another celeb disappoints…forget what I said about Aish’s coolness factor. I’m still holding out for the beautiful Sushmita.
My heart breaks for A^2 and especially for Abhishek, who has worked hard for his place in the world by making sure to being borne by the right womb. Few enough of us succeed in this endeavor that those who do deserve our eternal and heartfelt respect. It must also be terribly depressing for them that they cannot internalize the angst that the 15 minutes of deep shame on the most syndicated program on US television must have generated, to deliver their trademark deeply felt emotional acting performance for an upcoming movie. Look at the self effacing Mr. Khan, for example, who, was able to take the lemons of a 66 (SIXTY SIX!) minute wait at immigration and make lemonade from them, all while filming a hard hitting expose on racial profiling (oh, and Aspergers. And marital troubles. And a visit with the US president),
what is this about Aishwarya “never being kissed on screen” according to Oprah (and apparently not corrected by Aish)? hasn’t anyone seen the Dhoom 2 kiss with Hritik Roshan? I’ll try to post a youtube link….
They also never ever ever sat in front of a camera for a tv show together before either. Or talked to a real live African American lady, or talked to a Chinese tv host via satellite and so on and so forth.
I really do think that Oprah’s ‘research’ department needs to hire some more people.
More people prolly would recognize Dev and Frieda than these two.
please do. if it’s anything like desi kisses it involves the guy champing his jaw around his co-stars lower lip and pulling interminably. these women pro’ly have it better.
Found it! Lets get the facts straight, its not so bad that Oprah made the mistake, its the lying to make a “good indian wife” facade that gets me ticked.
Ok here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuRMHKdPkbs&feature=PlayList&p=F9C42D19AC5F2580&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2
Hope it gets you to the video.
Not worth it? What? For whom?
The appearance is a great resume-builder for the couple. The experience goes right into the equation of how much they are worth, what their asking price will be for their next movie. At this rate, Ash’s pay per movie will really approach the $15 million figure thrown around here. After her last round of North American media exposure, she graduated to earning Rs. 4 crores per movie (handed over to her by none other than Rajinikanth himself), which reportedly made her the highest paid actress in India in 2008 or 2007.
It is all circular and exponentially rewarding. And maybe somebody will come out and tell us that Oprah’s ratings in India jumped up too?
True. A whole lotta hype. Of 6.7 billion people in the world , 5 billion are apparently their fans – hilarious . That being said it was a show on World’s most popular people and these two are popular in India.No denying that ! Whether they can act or not is another story for another time.
Irrational exuberance + “famous for being famous” + time = cataclysmic anonymity.
(Not disagreeing with your point, just expressing my skepticism for celebrityhood)
Thank you PKS! I sense an equal amount of arrogance of the part of some posters here who think that everyone should know about their actors. Did any of you know about Genevieve Nnaji? I think it’s great that “everyone” but America is aware of Bollywood actors. It’s a good counterbalance to the uppityness of the racist/colorstruck Bollywood.
They shouldn’t be. Bollywood was modeled after Hollywood and still is. The film industry was started in America after all Vinod. Bollywood makes sure it’s technology is up to date, makes action movies like the West and continues its staunch indirect worship of Western Beauty Standards as evidenced by the idolizing of the light-skinned, light-eyed Hrithik and Ash. Bollywood takes a warped sense of pride in finding Indians who look like white people and then has the nerve to get mad when people notice the imitation and know the source.
Oh no. Just imagine the union of the two snooty figure-heads of white superiority. Mother meets its reflection. It would be a quiet full endorsement of Bollywood’s colorist exclusivity. Yes it’s glamorous. Yes it’s entertainment but there’s danger if America accepts Bollywood and ignores it’s blatant omission of dark-hued (bona-fide) Indians but at the same time claimes to be in a post-racial era where racism is considered to be waning.
Now regarding Oprah, from what I hear (I didn’t see the show) it seems the questions were patronizing and there should have been more substance. Americans shouldn’t be that ignorant of India or it’s culture. But even if many are, why dwell on the cultural introductions when you can just ask them real questions pertaining to their careers like real professionals? Surely we can all understand that!
Er, no and no.
makes action movies like the West and continues its staunch indirect worship of Western Beauty Standards as evidenced by the idolizing of the light-skinned, light-eyed Hrithik and As
I don’t bollywood is anything like hollywood and I don’t think Ms Ash, Amitabh, SRK, etc are in anyway trying to emulate American western standards. South Asians have plenty of light-skinned people and for better or worse that is considered more beautiful than dark skin. You look at the high fashion industry in India, and the stars of the modeling world are dark skinned. There’s some variation and there should stop being a commercial pressure that says your dark skin won’t get you in the door crap(in fair and lovely commercials), but desi bollywood actors, are modeled after what desis perceive as pretty. for example Julia Roberts would NOT be considered attractive in India. Bollywood would be incredibly different if it’s one and only influence was to mimic the West.
And then your facts on the beginnings of cinema and such are off.
How is it racism to have an aesthetic preference within a race? I mean, pretty much the entire entertainment industry has a “No fat chicks” policy and plus sized women are probably closer to the regular American than the ones you see on the screen.
dark-hued (bona-fide) Indians
wtf is this? I’m dark-skinned so I’m the bona-fide Indian but a light-skinned cousin or mother of mine is not bona-fide? In most desi families there’s light and dark skinned – get over it. Jeez.
I remember one Indian dude said to me in India that Aiswarya was world famous and everyone in USA knew who she was.
Yeah right.
Dream on.
Here’s the youtube vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4THfhJfHlTE
Abhi looks absolutely horrible with that goofy haircut and Aish’s sari is NOT bahu-licious, but rather saas-horrific.
I’ll gladly volunteer my image consulting skills – completely free.
Well, I wasn’t implying they needed to know the songs. Just giving some perspective on how one in the US can be unaware of the so called most famous couple in the world.
Then you guys are blind. India got it’s preference for fair skin from the West. The most popular (with exceptions) Indian actors are those with features more common to Europeans than Indians. And PS you’re wrong; there aren’t any truly dark-skinned models in the fashion industry. All are basically a tan color the same as “fair” Bollywood actors.
Care to enlighten me then Mr. X? Regardless, the motion picture Industry took off with America and it is the “historic center of movie studios and stars” to quote Wiki. All this hair-splitting with technical facts is immature. As long as you understand the gist of what I’m saying then that’s all that matters.
I knew someone would take this out of context. Omitting dark-Indians from lead roles or any at all is just as unrealistic as only showing light-skinned blacks. And there’s full-blooded light-skinned Africans fyi. Dark-skin really is one of the defining physical characteristics of the Indian nation just like it is for blacks and that is what I meant by bona fide. Don’t take it so literally.
There appears to me to be a lot of posters on SM who are in denial –or just like to play dumb– about Bollywood’s Eurocentric ideals and how it’s a form of racism which is strange. I’ve read more frank acknowledgement of the Euro source of India’s colorism on “less scholarly” Desi blogs than on the oh so intellectual SM.
Note to SM Intern,
I won’t derail this topic any further or bother to argue.
If Bollywood is what Shakti Kapoor sports when he meets nubile young ones, it is definitely quite Indocentric.
Indians of all shades and all eye color are all bona fide Indians. The answer to shadism is not reverse shadism. Don’t hate, appreciate all shades.
You know I’m just tired of this discussion and I’ll just say I have a completely different opinion than you. But the little I know about the iNdian film industry, shows your facts and “gists” as you like to call are factually wrong.
I’m not blind but I do think you are blindly following the racial paradigm of the West. I don’t look at Aish or any other light skinned desi and see a different race. I see an aesthetic preference for lighter skin. I see the features that Indian beauties have as the features of Indians, and if there’s some overlap with Europeans so be it. There may be naturally light-skinned Africans, (it’s a large continnent) and I have heard of the Khosian tribe (sp?), but as far as I know none of the light-skinned desis whether in my family or friends have gotten their color from some recent “mixing” with a very diverse population.
I find your “bona-fide” desi comment ignorant and midly offensive. Somehow after making this comment I am not supposed to take it literally. I took it literally and it doesn’t make sense. A light-skinned Indian friend is not a different race than me. Mindy Kaling and Aish are not different races – they are the variation of INdians and yes, Indians prefer their light skins.
I have a problem with the fact bollywood displays mostly light-skinned desis; there’s a lot of colorism in the bollywood industry. And hopefully it’ll change as the fashion industry is more open to different colored desis. In the west there is desire for the actresses to have a size boob and waist that very rarely do I see among my American friends or in the general population or even the fake blond hair that rarely comes naturally; I don’t think the size 0 actress in Hollywood is a different race then her average size 12 sisters. I don’t view skin color among desis as something that is racism (it can be depending on the context) but it is colorism and at the same time people have a right for an aesthetic preference. I have my own aesthetic preferences. I don’t think the Indian cosmetic industry should be putting down Indians who are dark-skinned, nor do I think the Western cosmetic industry should put down women who are the American average weight or boob size for that matter. I want those things to change and I hope the aesthetics of bollywood will include dark-skinned beauties.
You are wrong about the fashion industry in India. Last time I was in India I saw the very dark-skinned Garima Parnami on the cover of Femina. Vogue had Lakshmi Menon in a bathing suit with the skin color I get when I’m out in the sun. Tinu Verghese is another very successful dark-skinned desi model; Ujjwala Raut is wheatish lol; but put her in the sun and she gets quite dark. Monikangana is another very successful desi model and she is dark skinned.
I grow tired of comments like yours that seem to MIMIC the race dialogue of the West w/o the realities of the subcontinent – that’s my opinion.
Much to do about nothing. How is this important in the scheme of life.
I must say you guys are predictable if nothing else. At least one a year you have to do a ‘Bash Aish Fest’ or ‘Bash Bollywood Fest’. It just would not be SM without that annual event and the same stale comments and debates. LMAO
Carry on.
Quite true. Just like yellow skin is the defining characteristic of the Chinese nation and white skin is the defining characteristic of the Aryan nation. All we need is a few million tanning booths, and we shall make the whole world India. (Former)Africans, being uniformly extra dark, as you rightly pointed out,would be the hyper nationalists in this new world order. Of course, we would face stiff competition from the Chinese in this endeavor, who would undoubtedly unleash hepatitis to colour the whole world yellow, but will be thwarted (by the grace of goddess Kali) when the hole in the ozone layer grows sufficiently large. They would then find it too late to catch up.
And the little I know about Japanese and European film industry, films made specifically for local audiences, cultural give & take yada yada yada… It doesn’t diminish the work of American pioneers, Hollywood’s dominance and influence — just gives a slightly bigger picture.
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Oh get over it. Most Americans don’t know Aishwarya or Abhishek. They don’t watch movies in Hindi. Mainstream America isn’t exposed to it. So Oprah is just warming her audience, made of up supposedly mainstream America to these stars. What’s the problem? Get over it!
And I’m tired of opinions like yours that refuse to see how the realities of the subcontinent are related to the race dialogue of the Western world. That’s my opinion.
And the little I know about Japanese and European film industry, films made specifically for local audiences, cultural give & take yada yada yada…
Mr. X , I was agreeing with you in my comment. bollywood for all it’s crap, and the indian film industry is uniquely Indian and isn’t tailored to the West – very weird assessment considering how different bollywood movies are to West. Sure there’s influences but to collapse the desi film industry into some West-pleasing paradigm is to me ridiculous.
PS, #78 was entirely for the benefit of Mme. monalisa. Sorry for the confusion.
“Then you guys are blind. India got it’s preference for fair skin from the West. “
This is plain nuts. Why blame the West for this “problem?” The preference for fair skin is deeply rooted in Indian culture. It didn’t just develop in the last 100-200 years.
We indians are bound to our family unlike westeners. we never frown at couples living with their parents. we look upon it as oor bounden duty to stay with them till the end of their lives nd our children live with us till we part. it is this indian tradtion which keeps a family together. no, it doesnt infringe on our space. what space does one need if one does not have the love, affection or advise of our parents and elders? we are brought up to be independent minded but wherefamily is concerned the joint family works as a support system. it is the cycle of life, where u take care of your elders, your kids take care of you and even if the couples are working, the children get good values and support from grand parents, uncles and aunts. yes, there are problems too. it cannot be always hunky dory, but if you took a poll, 85% indians, irrespective of their social and monetary status, would prefer to live with their parents. i am unmarried and 45, am proud to be taking care of my aged mother who is 75 years young. i have no wish for “space”, as westeners put it. we are a family oriented people that is most of us are. the ones who need their space, flew the coop long ago and settled down in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!
in india we have a saying, “bandar ke gale me motiyon ka haar”, meaning how come such an ugly baboon got to wear such a beautiful pearl necklace. it was not a match made in heaven as manywould say. it was a calculated business arrangement. she is more famous than he will ever be.he only has a family name to his credit. no talent, no looks, no luck. he has a string of flops and only because he is a famous lineage, that he gets so much media mileage. she might be beautiful, but icy on the surface. just because we have a white skin fetish. we indians are never proud of our honey coloured complexion, for which americans pay good money to get the correct tan. being shocked about them staying with their parents is passe. why could not oprah ask them some relevant quesitons about their life? she wasted a wholelot of time with irrelevant stuff. but anyways, how can we expect oprah to know anything about india? she apparently did not do any homework. but thats the american way of life. fill it shut it forget it.
Anil, So the gist of your comment was: 1. Abhishek is an ugly, untalented pull-case who doesn’t deserve his wife. 2.His wife is cold, heartless gold digging businesswoman. 3.Indians have a white skin fetish and are unappreciative of their own. 4.Oprah’s show was crap. 5.The Ameican way of life is basically about being callous. Are you always this cheerful,or is it a side effect of partaking too many sour grapes?
Then you guys are blind. India got it’s preference for fair skin from the West. The most popular (with exceptions) Indian actors are those with features more common to Europeans than Indians. And PS you’re wrong; there aren’t any truly dark-skinned models in the fashion industry. All are basically a tan color the same as “fair” Bollywood actors.
YOU LIE! First of all you are not Indian! Indians had a caste system going when Europeans were living in caves! Indians preferred skin is light olive skin not rosy european skin full of freckles. Those features are not attractive in India. Get your facts straight!
Hey, tone it down!! (Unless the “you lie!” was a reference to the Obama interrupter? In which case, carry on.)
This thread is getting a bit circular and rant-y. Please consider your comment in light of the “don’t feed the trolls” warning above the comment box before posting.
i cant stand ash. i think she is so fake and over her self. i al so dont think that they are the most fanous couple in the world. if you ask anyone else then indian they would not know them. i believe they are getting to much credit for nothing. abhishek is still nice but ash she is just weird… sorry to those people who like her.
I’ve followed this threat with great interest, which started from being mildly amusing to extending to incorrigibility of people’s thoughts. What baffles me, however, is why does everyone get so uptight about two individuals living on the other side of the planet (or probably on the same side as yours), who don’t care or even know that the people posting on this thread even exist?! This thread has gotten from submitting blase` comments to heated arguments, all for what? two people who would carry on making money, appearing on many more TV shows, and appealing to the ones who worship them as demi-Gods? Surely, their status or their demeanour or their looks shouldn’t affect any one, should it? So is this indulging in perverse pleasure to cater to one’s sub-conscious frivolities worth all the time and emotion spent on this thread?! What one should think of before posting is, are your comments going to change the very nature of the whole fiasco, rather than fouling one’s mood by attacking/responding to people’s comments, and blowing things out of proprtion about racism, colour and God-knows-what. Peace be on you, all!
Thanks. I am so tired of every thread degenerating into a skin color debate.
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Very true monalisa.
No one on this thread is intimate with either Ashwariya or Abhishek, but since they are famous people every one thinks they know exactly who they are as people. Reality is you don’t know them as individuals or as a couple beyond an extremely superficial level of movie, TV, and photo. You can evaluate their acting and speaking, and how good they look. Cold or warm, real or fake is revealing more about you than it is an accurate assessment of them.
I just don’t think that abhishek is happy with ashwariya. I think that she is beautiful….but then their is hardly any film celebraty who is not beautiful. Ok, apart from that, I feel that Ash is too superficial and the way she talks and behaves is as if she is making a big deal out of everything. Also, I do feel that abhishek is always potraid like being married to the most beautiful women. Well to tell you the truth, it should be the other way round. Abhi is a very handsome young man….he is tall, smart, belongs to a very reputed and highly known family, his educational backgound is very strong and most of all he is like 2 years younger….So people should start saying that Ash is toooo lucky to be married to such wonderful person. I have seen many movies of both abhi and ash and I can say that ash is the same in all her movies….i think she just doesn’t know that she has to act in a movie…..whereas abhi had few bad performances in the beginning but he has significantly improved himself. Lastly, their is no such thing as the most beautiful women or men….these filmstarts have a media presence….but this world is filled with billions and billios of people who r not covered by media….and we should all understand this fact that we haven’t found the best until everyone is given the same media acclamation and voted upon.
Mayne!! Abhishek Bachan is one ugly dude!
another big yawn… PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NOTE TO SM writers stop with the ULTRA SELF RIGHTEOUS posts that have been all too common. Just because Oprah said that Julia Roberts called her beautiful doesn’t imply that Oprah is re-inforcing imperialistic, reductionist thinking.
God, the more I read these obviously over-zealous readers of SM, the more disappointed I get. Do you realize by posts like this that use little things like what oprah said and mis-construe it to the second coming of Jallianwala Bagh, actually dilutes when there are real examples of reductionist language.
PLEASE SM WRITERS STEP IT UP
Aishwarya is alright but I don’t think she’s that attractive. I think Nandita Das is a better actress and she is much more beautiful than Aishwarya.
ash’s english isnt that great either.i guess she prepares herself so much before her ‘foreiGn’ interviews.unlike abhi,who has an easy and free flowing command over the language without having to create an accent.ash initially tried to create an american accent in her earlier interviews and then progressed to a british accent.she has 2or3 english words and phrases that she uses always in all her interviews.Ya.I agree with almost everyone. She’s fake.she acts and tries so much in her interviews. . There is no calmness and no easy flow in her intertheys.her indian interviews are just the same.you dont understand what she’s saying half the time because i guess even she doesnt understand them.she doesnt know how to give an interview.period.
I was present in the audience when they taped this show. I was glad that Abhishek was present. Oprah also looks for intelligent answers and at times, Ash is just dumb. She looks pretty and could have explained herself better on questions of beauty issues etc.. but she ranted some garbage. If not for Abhishek, I could tell the American audience would not have left with much of a impression about India.
Seems like everything was going fine during the interview until Nacho showed up! The husband’s eyes got big, he began fidgeting around nervously, the wife leaned into her husband’s side more. What’s the deal with that? He should have switched seats with his wife if he didn’t want her next to the sexy polo player. Am I the only one who noticed this? Also, instead of complaining about Oprah’s questions and misinformation, be glad. There are many people who had never of them until they were on her show (like me). She just gave them a bigger audience and informed many folks that there is “life outside of the USA.”