An erstwhile IIT prof is dead and several others remain injured, after a brazen terrorist attack at a conference which was being held at the Indian Institute of Science (IISc) in Bangalore (Thanks Aj, for the link):
The suspected Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) terrorist entered the complex through the main gate, took out hand grenades and an automatic rifle and started firing indiscriminately at the scientists who had come to attend the International Conference on Operations Research Applications in Infrastructure Development —2005, according to eyewitnesses.
While Prof M C Puri succumbed to injuries at the M S Ramaiah Hospital, Dr Pankaj Gupta, Patellappa, an IISC employee, Dr Sangeetha, Dr Vijay Chandra and four others were injured. All the scientists had come from Delhi and other places to attend the international conference.
When security isn’t secure enough:
Only three private security guards were on duty when the incident occurred. They were not trained for this situation, according to sources.
More, this time from Rediff:
Sources said the possibility of terror attack could not be ruled out given the nature of the automatic weapons used in the attack. A state-wide alert has been sounded…
The officials are also trying to ascertain whether the underworld had any role in Wednesday’s incident as the main accused in the 1993 Mumbai serial blasts, Abu Salem is in Bangalore to undergo lie detector and brain mapping tests, sources said.
This one is for the Kashmiri Muslim named Nazir. Of course you want freedom. But how can India part with Kashmir. Let me give you a hypothetical analogy. Florida is an integral part of US. Over a course of 50 years, due to heavy immigration of Muslims into Florida and a simultaneous flight of non Muslims out of Florida, the state becomes the only Muslim majority state of America. Then for some unexplained reasons the Muslims begin to complain of persecution and also begin to be vocal about the fact they have more in common with Saudi Arabia than the US. Give a decade and they want to secede!!
Heck in Kashmir’s case the irony is that Muslims didn’t come from elsewhere. They were all local Hindus who mostly involuntarily converted to Islam. Nazir you and a lot of your converted Hindu brothers still retain Pandit last names like Butt, Dar e.t.c . Human rights abuses? What about the ethnic cleansing of Hindus from Kashmir. The human rights abuses if any are a natural response to your misdeeds.
Hey Nazir let me ask you a very fundamental question. Why do Kashmiri Muslims want to secede? Don’t give me the bullshit that you guys are persecuted in a Hindu majority India. Muslims getting persecuted in a preponderantly Muslim land ( Kashmir )!! That’s crap. I grew up in India. We Indians if anything were enamored of Kashmir and its people. After all there was a time when it was de rigeur for every Bollywood movie to be shot in Kashmir. India is a very diverse country just like US and there just as in the US anyone of any color , ethnicity or religion is just as likely to be discriminated against. Hey Kashmir even has a special status that is not accorded to any other Indian state. You give credence to right wingers everywhere that Muslims are peaceful and accommodating only as long as they are in a minority. Looks like they are not wrong after all. Your Muslims brothers in India have done better for themselves than their coreligionists in Muslim states like Bangladesh and Pakistan. Don’t get me started on the Shahrukhs, Rushdies, Fareed Zakarias.
Sam: The Kashmiri Muslims would like to seccede because it is our right. Granted to us by a UN resolution in 1948. The resolution, by the way, which came about when Pandit Nehru appealed to the International Community to intervene. Yes, I am well aware of the caveat in the resolution that a plebescite cannot be held until both parties [Pakistan & India] withdraw to pre 48 war borders. Now just because India and Pakistan is in a “whose is bigger” showdown, doesn’t mean that you hold us hostage. We deserve, no we have the right to determine our own destiny. And if we chose to join our Mulsim bretheren in Pakistan, so be it. And if we chose to side with the faux secularist nation, India, so be it. And if we chose to be independent – so be it. But, we will make that decision. As for the removal/migration of Kashmiri Hindus…..Let me ask you…What have you done for them? It is my understanding that the majority of them are rotting in the refugee camps of jammu….and if you ask me ..they deserve their plight. Hey, they chose India and they got it.
It is my understanding that the majority of them are rotting in the refugee camps of jammu….and if you ask me ..they deserve their plight. Hey, they chose India and they got it.
Yea, just like the Palestinians chose to live in squalor in camps from Lebanon to Jordan and voluntarily left Palestine in hundreds of thousands to become refugees in surrounding Arab Nations. It is ridiculous when Zionists want to address the problem of Palestinian refugee conditions in Lebanon and West Bank while ignoring the fact that their Zionists brothers kicked out the Palestinians and its equally ridiculous when a Kashmiri Muslim like you wants to address the Kashmiri refugee situation in Jammu while ignoring the fact that the Kashmiri Hindus were chased out of their homes. So instead of blaming the aggressor you blame the refuge givers.
Do you really believe that 6th and 7th generation Kashmiri Pandits all of a sudden chose to move to India to live in sub human conditions in refugee camps from Jammu to Delhi ? Do you ever wonder whether it has something to do with the fact that these people were intimidated, killed and terrorized by Kashmiri Jihadis and that is why they left the Kashmir valley.
Nazir, perhaps you and other separtists will be better off across the valley in Gilgit where your beloved terrorist dictator carried out a massacre of Shias in Gilgit and where the folks in “Azad” Kashmir are a living testimony of liberal, secualr and democratic principles practised in Pakistan. Wouldn’t it be just awesome to have the fundies from Pakistani Punjab and FATA unleashed on Kashmir valey? Don’t forget that the 1948 resolution you talk about was a result of Indian magnanimity after Indian soldiers saved your sorry asses from the invasion of Pakistani tribals. And guess what : the democratically elected Constituent assembly of Jammu and Kashmir, led by Sheikh Abdullah, decided to ratify the state’s accession with India under the Constitution of Jammu and Kashmir in 1956.
Kashmir, theland of Rajtarangini and Panini shall always be an integral part of India, no matter how many Indian lives it takes to keep it that that way. You and your secessionist brethren are most welcome to Islamic paragons of freedom and democracy such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan if you can’t live within the faux secular democracy that has made J&K the second richest state in the union on per-capita GDP basis, and provided you a democratic constitutional framework to govern yourselves.
Nazir,
Don’t we think we use the present disaster, Kashmir earthquake as a healing processes. Where will your anger lead to? You know that nobody is going back to 1948 borders. Independent Kashmir will exist only for 24 hours. Don’t Chinese have part of Karakoram, through an arrangement by Pakistan.
Why not stop the violence and talk – sure, they will be disagrements, sure but talk.
All said in done, India has a Sikh Prime Minister, Muslim President, the “real kingmaker” is a Christian, the Chief of Army is a Sikh, the Chairman Planning Commission is a Sikh today, and the majority are Hindus. In 1971, when India accepted surrender from Pakistan – the chief of army was a Parsi, the officer that accepted the surrender was a Sikh, the tactical architet behind the surrender was a Jew. That is a hell of a record for pluralism by any world standards – I know, I know thay have been serious instances of failure (’84, ’93, some of the excesses by Indian army in Kashmir and NE India) – But let’s talk, and not kill and shout. Saying a certain section of peoplpe (Kashmir Hindus) deserve their plight is dehumanizing, Aren’t they your fellow Kashmiris.
Maybe, we should have a truth commission like the one by Nelson Mandela did for South Africa but all of them should agree to talk.
I think the stuff about mosques and muslims and the Bangalore attack was a little off. I knew one of the casualties in the attack, and was deeply shocked and saddened to hear about the attack. I do speak Urdu, and a few phrases in Arabic, and do wear shalwar kameez, or jeans – or whatever the hell I want to! Sure, there is radicalization, but a having any social/religious customs or having a political opinion is not a crime. Killing a person other than in the course of justice (through a court) is. Is there something we disagree about in the above?
I remember many times when people (usually the high class elite types) in India would go all ga-ga over the Israeli method of fighting its enemies. We need to be like Israel and all. So yeah seal off the old town in Bangalore, Delhi etc., put up check points in Indian cities, have Hindus only roads running across the country. Then have suicide bombings all over and look all cool with young people rifles on their shoulders walking down the posh MG road – just like good old Tel Aviv. The overwhelming majority of Indian Muslims think of themselves as Indians, and have the same ambitions, strengths, and faults as any other Indians. Sure, many of us have deep faith in a certain way of salvation, and want to pray a certain way and sometimes dress a certain type – but whats actually wrong with that? The idea of a justice system is there because of a certain reason. It is to punich the person who does a crime, like the IISc shooting, and protect the innocent, even if she/he has different political ideas.
Well, if people have a problem with Muslims sincerely believing in their religion – then doesn’t everyone else? Would a Catholic, or Jew want to do the Muslim prayers? Of course, Muslims believe in their own interpretation – just like Sikhs do in their own, and Baptists in their own. If Tom Friedman has a problem with that, its fine, but dont connect that faith which most people have with the actions of a few – the two are different things.
Just to be sure – its not that I actually agree with ALL of the radicalization or social conservativeness that is becoming rampant in many Muslim societies. But then neither do I agree with eating pork.
But hell I’d like to make all of those decisions on my own reason and in the light of what I believe, not because some frothing anger some people spout here and there, along with expletives about motherhood. What on earth is up with that, Mr. Gulab Khatri?
read the thread and see what that was a response to. If it aint obvious, it aint worth pointing out.
India needs to get tough in Kashmir. Let the Army have a free reign, give them a carte blanche, we won’t have too many kashmiris left to complain about plebiscites. Wars are never won half heartedly. India should open up kashmir and let Indians buy property and populate the valley. Sun Tzu writes that the best way to win a war is by not fighting. India has squandered every chance for creating hell in Pakistan that would make support to the kashmiris unthinkable.
abhinav… the passion of certainty in your statements suggests a belief in a controlled experimental environment and/or strategy crafted and fought in ink. I am gauging you are a theoretician – a mathematician or a computer scientist? Pray correct me if I’ve erred. But my point is that your statements are somewhat naive and hearts and minds are not won with the gun – and nothing less will do if india seeks a plebiscite in its favor.
Sam and the other Indians,
Why are you so afraid of allowing a plebiscie in Kashmir? I know why. It is because you will be exposed for what you are – a faux secular nation, which is, Inshallah, in her last throes.
Why should I [any Kashmiri Muslim] care about what happens to the traitor kaum of Pandits? I repeat – they sided with [chose] India at a very crucial moment in my country’s history and got what they deserved.
hey nazr… the need for kashmiriyat and the demand for independence aside – you seem to have general mutton with india(ns). So is it anger with indian people (bad B.O., general hairiness, etc.?), the political system, or the bureaucracy? Do relate your personal issues. we’re all aware of the general blots and like venting now and then?
Dhaavak, Nazir just doesnt want to move out of Mr. Bhan’s pushtiani haveli, that he occupied after Mr. Bhan’s family was forced out. He loves that mansion, besides who wouldnt love free real estate ?? 🙂
Kush and the rest of Indians:
If having a Mulsim [apologist for a Mulsim] President, a figurehead Sikh PM etc, makes a nation secular. Then I am assuming you all must be big fans of George W. After all, he has appointed more minorities to high positions then his predecesors. e.g, Condi Rice, Powell etc.
I was an Engineering student at the Aligarh Muslim University in the mid nineties. And during my years there, whenever India played Pakistan in cricket of hokey, all of us Mulsims, Kashmiri or non Kashmiri, ALL OF US, supported Pakistan. Not only did we root for Pakistan, but also rooted for any country playing against India. Do visit the AMU campus during a sporting event and see it for your self. Better yet, visit the Muslim localities of Delhi, Bombay and Hyderabad and witness the state of your faux secularism.
Get this through your head – the partition of India is incomplete.
To prove it further, I will posit a hypothetical query – What would happen if say Gujarat or Rajhastan becomes, by some miracle a Mulsim Majority state? I will tell you what will happen – the said state will demand to seccede from “Mother India”. And rightfuly so. India, in my experience is only for Hindus. See Narendra Modi, Jagdish Tytler, etc. They are responsible for the death of thousands of minority, Sikhs and Muslims. And yet they roam free.
“If having a Mulsim [apologist for a Mulsim] President, a figurehead Sikh PM etc, makes a nation secular. Then I am assuming you all must be big fans of George W. After all, he has appointed more minorities to high positions then his predecesors. e.g, Condi Rice, Powell etc.”
Nazir,
It is more complex that that. These are not figure heads – they contribute to what India is today. It so happens that the Muslim President was also a top scientist of India’s space program. Manmohan Singh was also Chairman of Reserve Bank of India and a finance Minister – a world class economist. Do you really think Sonia Gandhi is a figure head? Field Marshal Sam Maneshshaw (Parsi), General JS Aurora (Sikh) – they were there ~40 years ago before Powells and Rice are here. Per capita wise, I am sure Parsis (Tatas, Godrejs), Sikhs, and Jains are perhaps the richest communities in India – way ahead of Hindus.
I originally come from North India and I am very aware of poverty more rampant in Muslim neighborhoods – I know Muslim ghettoization quite well. Tell you what, who is the face of change in India – a Muslim – Azim Premji. Make a list of India’s wealthy people – a great majority of them are Parsis. The richest state in India is Punjab. In a ghetto in Mumbai – they are Hindus too in same numbers.
Personally, it does not bother me at all if students @ AMU want to cheer for any team other than India. In a democracy, they have the right to do that. Party on
I know of the radicalization in India and it bothers me – You are not helping it either. Nobody ever said it was perfect but we totally protest slander and tearing it down.
I was an Engineering student at the Aligarh Muslim University in the mid nineties
Have you ever seen a Muslim University in Kansas or in Ohio or in Manitoba? How about a Hindu University in Lahore? I rest my case.
Didn’t you get trained in India? Did anyone stop you? There is even talk of making AMU an IIT.
It happens, I am very clued in what happens in India as if today. I am clueless NRI.
Correction: I am not a clueless NRI.
Cheering for any country other than Pakistan…might be freedom of expression and whatnot. But it’s very uncool. I will not say, unpatriotic — no, that is to be reserved for far more serious things. It’s about as ridiculous as first genners who have fake Valley-girl accents and claim that they are from San whatever, even though they had never stepped out of Delhi for the first sixteen years of their lives. These are people with zero national identity. Some people have one. Some may have more than one — if you’ve been born somewhere and have spent many years elsewhere for instance, you could find yourself very well at home in tweed jackets and kurtas e.g. Amartya Sen, and dare I say it..Cicatrix(?). But having lived your entire life in one place and yet have no emotional attachment towards it is downright shallow. To borrow a sporting phrase, Nazir, it’s just not cricket.
And what do you mean by ‘apologist for a Mulsim [sic]’? You have a problem with the fact that President Kalam defends Islam?
Nazir Its time your kaum does some introspection. you tough pious muslim still cant wrestle kashmir from india. Dude its such a shame.
Like Kush says, AMU has over 25% reservation for Muslims. This is in a country where less than 20% of the population is Muslim.
Why feed a troll? Nazirbhai, good luck to you : please carry on cheering for Pakistan and enjoy life.
Dude explain this further. This train of thought concerning how theoretician,or mathematician or computer scientist will chose certain viewpoint is what i would like to here more about. Its probably gonna be quite funny and informative in the cocktail party sense.
Interesting perspective. This legitimizes the position of the extreme wing of the Hindu right — if the muslims in India are suffering, too bad. After all, they chose to remain in India after partition. For the record, I don’t buy this argument.
I, at least, have no problems with a plebiscite. However, since not all the residents of the region are Kashmiri or Muslim, they too must be given the self-determination option. The original UN declaration cannot be implemented as envisaged because the other groups (Ladhakis, Gujjars, etc.) have become conscious politically and one cannot turn the clock back. But I do agree that the plebiscite option must be taken more seriously. The only Indian thinker who has advocated this position is Madhu Kishwar. See her article “Why fear the people’s choice? Calling Pakistan’s bluff on a Kashmir Plebiscite” available at http://indiatogether.org/manushi/issue131/callbluff.htm
Nazir, the perspective you are advocating – that India’s secularism is only a sham – is by no means new: it is an article of faith among some Pakistanis. I have followed the Pakistani press on and off over the years and everytime there is a major riot, there are articles about how the “fake secularism” in India has been exposed.
Perhaps, as you say, India’s secularism is fake and that all the prominent Muslims are merely “figureheads.” But – in the subcontinental context – could you point out a state which has had a better record vis-a-vis minorities: Sri Lanka (where’s the figurehead Tamil)? Bangladesh (10% or more minorities, where is a figurehead Hindu or Chakma tribal)? Or perhaps – in Pakistan – how exactly are the Shias and Ahmediyyas, not to mention the remaining Hindus and Christians doing?
In the subcontinent, no state is anywhere close to meeting the standards that we now expect of a state with respect to its minorities. The fact that India’s flawed record is about the best in this region points to a general failure that extends beyond India. And this may not be to your liking, my feeling is that an independent Kashmir is not going to improve this dismal record.
Suresh.
Better yet, visit the Muslim localities of Delhi, Bombay and Hyderabad
Please read this story, I wrote about a little, muslim girl near Charminar, Hyderabad. You might learn a thing or two about humanity and decency.
From what I have seen, Non Kashmiri Muslims in India are hardly supportive of the Kashmiri cause (sorry Nazir). It might have something to do with the fact that they dont want their numbers reduced especially considering the fact that with India being a parliamentary democracy, reduced number of Muslims would diminish their political clout. The Kashmir issue has never caught the popular imagination of Non Kashmiri Indian Muslims like it has in Pakistan. From what I can tell most of them would rather have Kashmir stay as a part of India then to become independent. Somebody more knowledgeable can probably explain this better. I personally happen to think that once the Kashmiris solve the ‘Pandit’ issue and take them back and provide for their security, they can make a persuasive case for self determination.
Al Mujahid: I never said that the Non-Kashmiri Muslims in India are supportive of Kashmiri Independence. I claimed that their hearts beat for Pakistan. And anybody who has travelled through the Muslim neighbouhoods of the Indian cities will confirm that. If you are unable to verify. I can point you towards a few Indian Muslim community leaders in the US who will oblige. And rightly so. I will ask of the Indians on this blog once again. Most of whom likely are supporters of either the BJP or the Congress – both parties complicit in progroms. Why was nobody from the Congress Party [ the current rulers of India and the so called non-communal party] punished for the barbaric murders of thousands of Sikhs in Delhi and other Indian cities. Indeed, why is the party even in existence ? Why hasn’t Narendra Modi been punished? What will it take to get justice for the families of the Two Thousand Mulsims massacred in the Gujarat riots?
When you fix the lives of millions of minorities whose lives have been ruined by this most disgusting of a “secular” country….then talk to me about Kashmiri hindus, who are rotting in your India.
p.s. Not only will Kashmir be independent, but so will Nagaland, Khalistan, Manipur, Mizoram, Tamil Nadu, Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh etc, etc……it is only a matter of time.
Suresh: Why do you and the other Indians constantly point towards the state of freedoms and rights in the other countries of the subcontinent. Why not compare yourselves to nations in Europe instead or even the US, where majority of you who post on this blog are likely residing. Start looking up my friend…will do you and India good.
If you are unable to verify. I can point you towards a few Indian Muslim community leaders in the US who will oblige. Nazir pal, I would do not that for their own sake. They might get deported back to India for radicalism. I think you do not read much – I hope you know what is happening these days – NSA, Patriot Act, fingerprinting, geiger counters, deportation – Being a US citizen is not a carte blanche anymore.
I am signing out and will not post on this thread any further, I would take Gujjubhai’s advise. Have a nice life. Get some……..You are quite “divide and rule” rabble rouser.
Once you get an independent Kashmir, where are you get the oil and gas from to light the bulbs? Or China will do the favors, like Tibet. Happy Andhra Pradesh Independence Day.
khalistan movement is dead. Danny B’s money has dried and he wants to be indias bitch now. Tamilnadu does not have a seccesionist movement neither does sikkim. It is more likely that before you whining pussies can do any thing about a azad kashmir or a pakistani kashmire Balochistan would be independent country. Sindh may go along with Balochistan or be independant. US doesnt give a rats ass about you nor does Iran in this case. IF it wants a gas pipeline to india, an independent sindh and balochistan(even if it means giving up some rights in its territory) is in Irans interest. So keep dreaming and creating grandious idealogies of strength and virtue, and a better life with the 72 hoors.
Guru Gulab: Your knowledge the geo-political and historical happenings in South Asia and the Persian gulf is appaling to say the least. Lesson # 1 If you had read your history, you would know that there is a legitimate concern in certain Indian circles of a resurgent Dravid [not the cricketing type] movement in Tamil Nadu. Especially, if an independent Ellam comes to pass in Serendip. Ever wonder why the Indian govt has not attempted to go after Prabhakaran for killing a sitting Indian PM?
Lesson # 2 Not that the pipeline matters to me…but here goes anyways. Iran has a substantial and restless Baloch population along its border with Pakistan. So a free Balochistan is not in Persian interest. Indeed, experts have surmised that Iran may ONCE again be helping Pakistan quell the rebellion.
Lesson # 3 In any case India would be making a strategic blunder if she engineers the break of Pakistan. After all, look what happened with Bangladesh now. Imagine, several more Bangladeshes and Pakistans
Get some education and think man, think!
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Dullard Nazir, what was the strategic blunder with bangladesh? What has bangladesh really been able to accomplish against india ? Nothing apart from nuisance. Thats all. Infact what has pakistan really been able to accomplish india. Indians split pakistanis despite opposition from US and China, and both those fellows are gone from the pakistani camp now. In all this time what have you been able to do? Kashmir is still split and in the same sorry state. Its so pathetic for the tough soldiers of faith, who are still humiliated by kafirs idoltars.
There was a CIA publication which gota blurb in washington time, essentialy what it said was that the probability of pakistan becoming a yugoslavia by 2020 is very high, and in that case US will collaberate with india, and possibaly iran to get rid of pakistani weapons both nuclear and otherwise. This time there is a strong money incentive. Sindhis and Balochis will make a lot more money percapita wise through the pipeline than if it went through a complete pakistan. IRan is also looking for a big customer thats close. Indians are their best hope for that. Yes Iran has a balochistani population but that is not as aggressive as the bugtis(at present). Iran will make a deal with them or may even give up territory.
Regarding SL, You bloke you oughtto get education. Prabhakaran did not kill a sitting PM. The glorified madarsaa that you claimed to have attened is producing delusionals. an intern from a non research private engineering college will outperform the dimwits from graduating from there Check where the bulk of the money for LTTE comes in. Its localy generated, followed by contributions from malasia,singapore,canada us then india. that is why that insurgency is lasting. TN residents have stopped contributing since the late 80’s and this movement will die out soon. More slowly than khalistani but with both india and US clamping down on fundings its getting tough for them. Hypothetical if LTTE would be able to carve off N and E SL, if it does, that will be annexed into a greater TN with in india.
Any ways the game is on dude, keep dreaming about your hoors cause in this world you aint gonna get anything.
Dullard Nazir, what was the strategic blunder with bangladesh? What has bangladesh really been able to accomplish against india ? Nothing apart from nuisance. Thats all. Infact what has pakistan really been able to accomplish india. Indians split pakistanis despite opposition from US and China, and both those fellows are gone from the pakistani camp now. In all this time what have you been able to do? Kashmir is still split and in the same sorry state. Its so pathetic for the tough soldiers of faith, who are still humiliated by kafirs idoltars.
There was a CIA publication which gota blurb in washington time, essentialy what it said was that the probability of pakistan becoming a yugoslavia by 2020 is very high, and in that case US will collaberate with india, and possibaly iran to get rid of pakistani weapons both nuclear and otherwise. This time there is a strong money incentive. Sindhis and Balochis will make a lot more money percapita wise through the pipeline than if it went through a complete pakistan. IRan is also looking for a big customer thats close. Indians are their best hope for that. Yes Iran has a balochistani population but that is not as aggressive as the bugtis(at present). Iran will make a deal with them or may even give up territory.
Regarding SL, You bloke you oughtto get education. Prabhakaran did not kill a sitting PM. The glorified madarsaa that you claimed to have attened is producing delusionals. an intern from a non research private engineering college will outperform the dimwits from graduating from there Check where the bulk of the money for LTTE comes in. Its localy generated, followed by contributions from malasia,singapore,canada us then india. that is why that insurgency is lasting. TN residents have stopped contributing since the late 80’s and this movement will die out soon. More slowly than khalistani but with both india and US clamping down on fundings its getting tough for them. Hypothetical if LTTE would be able to carve off N and E SL, if it does, that will be annexed into a greater TN with in india.
Any ways the game is on dude, keep dreaming about your hoors cause in this world you aint gonna get anything.
If you are criticising India’s fake secularism, then the achievements in the other neighbouring countries are relevant because it’s with them that we share our history. And I’ll follow Kush’s example and sign out – there’s no point in continuing a dialogue with someone who can’t be polite.
I guess in that case, then they should be applying for immigration to Pakistan. Let the Pakistani Ministry of External Affairs know of this. People should be free to go whereever they want. I mean, its just not fair that they should suffer needlessly in India and be made to suffer the inhuman stifling of speech and expression (such as being able to only cheer for Pakistan in little college towns, and to be unable to share your joy at India’s cricketing defeats over national television or a mainsteam nationally syndicated newspaper). Especially when the land of the free and the fair is just across the border.
“Now good day…. I said good day!”