{"id":5580,"date":"2009-01-07T13:48:17","date_gmt":"2009-01-07T18:48:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com?p=5580"},"modified":"2009-01-08T10:58:47","modified_gmt":"2009-01-08T15:58:47","slug":"indian_indian_i","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com\/blog\/2009\/01\/07\/indian_indian_i\/","title":{"rendered":"Indian, Indian, Indian!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Happy New Year, Mutiny! It is not possible to hyperlink a post title, so I offer this as my inspiration for the headline above.<\/p>\n\n<p><object width=\"425\" height=\"344\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/-yZHveWFvqM&#038;hl=en&#038;fs=1\"><\/param><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\"><\/param><param name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\"><\/param><embed src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/-yZHveWFvqM&#038;hl=en&#038;fs=1\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" allowscriptaccess=\"always\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" width=\"425\" height=\"344\"><\/embed><\/object><\/p>\n\n<p>Sometimes, when people assume I&#8217;m of Indian origin, I get grumpy and I think, I know just how Jan feels. I mean, I like Marcia. I understand that she&#8217;s the biggest sister and everyone in school knows her. <em>But I am special too.<\/em> \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n\n<p>As a result of this feeling (and arguably, my background as a sometime member of the Fourth Estate), I read media descriptions of desis pretty closely. Indian is NOT a racial or ethnic descriptor. But sometimes it&#8217;s used as such.<\/p>\n\n<p>I recently wrote an e-mail to an editor at [ed: The New York] Times about three articles in which this came up. <!--more-->[Annotations in ital.]<\/p>\n\n<p>&lt;<\/p>\n\n<p>p>I write you as a devoted reader of the Times and especially of the Travel section. I have noticed a pattern in several Times articles, two of which were in Travel, and would like to ask you about the section&#8217;s policies (and perhaps the policies of the copydesk).<\/p>\n\n<p>&lt;<\/p>\n\n<p>p>I read <a href=\"http:\/\/travel.nytimes.com\/2008\/12\/21\/travel\/21airport.html?pagewanted=2\">Matt Gross&#8217;s article<\/a> and I wondered about this line:<\/p>\n\n<p>&lt;<\/p>\n\n<p>p><\/p>\n\n<blockquote>It was packed with college students, hipsters in silly fedoras, a British couple with a baby, Indian 20-somethings figuring out how to ship saris back from London.\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>&lt;<\/p>\n\n<p>p>I was curious as to how Mr. Gross knew that the people in question were Indian; &#8220;Indian&#8221; is a national identifier, rather than a racial one, but since the line is basically doing the work of &#8220;color,&#8221; I didn&#8217;t get the impression that he had talked to them to ascertain their national origins.<\/p>\n\n<p><em><\/p>\n\n<p>Note to SM Readers: In journalistic terms, &#8220;color&#8221; refers to language that sets a scene or provides atmosphere. Back to our show.<\/p>\n\n<p><\/em><\/p>\n\n<p>&lt;<\/p>\n\n<p>p>Saris are traditional dress in a number of countries. Furthermore, did he know that they weren&#8217;t American? If they wanted to ship saris back to Los Angeles from London, they could have been South Asian-<em>Americans<\/em> with familial roots in any one of a number of countries.<\/p>\n\n<p>This isn&#8217;t the first time I have had this question after reading a Travel article. I also wrote Michelle Higgins after reading <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2008\/09\/14\/travel\/14Airline.html?pagewanted=2\">&#8220;Flying the Unfriendly Skies,&#8221;<\/a> which included the sentence,\n<blockquote>&#8220;No to the young Indian man who asked for a blanket for his mother who was shivering in her sari next to him.&#8221;<\/blockquote><\/p>\n\n<p>(I wrote to Ms. Higgins shortly after that article was published, to ask her if she had asked the young man about his nationality. She  wrote me back a very kind response and said that she had based the description on his mother&#8217;s clothing.)<\/p>\n\n<p>&lt;<\/p>\n\n<p>p>Finally, I also wrote Allen Salkin about <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2008\/11\/09\/fashion\/09bollywood.html\">&#8220;A Long Way From Bollywood.&#8221;\n<\/a><\/p>\n\n<p>This story included the phrase &#8220;ethnically Indian.&#8221; But it isn&#8217;t possible to be ethnically Indian; India has people of many ethnicities, some of which appear in other countries as well (Sri Lanka, Pakistan, or Bangladesh, for example).<\/p>\n\n<p><em><\/p>\n\n<p>&lt;<\/p>\n\n<p>p>Note to SM Readers: Allen was kind enough to write back too, although his response was less clear. I would have written to Matt, but it was harder to get an address for him. Back to what I wrote the editor.\n<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p>All of this brings me to a final question: Does the Times have a policy about the use of the word &#8220;Indian&#8221; in such contexts? With an increasing number of South Asians in America, descriptions such as these as bound to crop up, and could easily be made more accurate.<\/p>\n\n<p>Thanks in advance for any time you are able to devote to a response. I am grateful for the Times&#8217; thoughtful attention to the coverage of race, and am always interested in its appearance, however minor, in stories with other subjects.<\/p>\n\n<p>&lt;<\/p>\n\n<p>p>&#8230;So I sent this off to the Times, and relatively promptly, I got an e-mail saying that I made a good point that he would discuss with the copy desk and other editors there. Very responsive of them.<\/p>\n\n<p>Now it will be interesting to keep an eye on this and see if they change how they do things! For those of you who think I am nitpicking&#8230; this is important! The descriptions are inaccurate. And I&#8217;M DOING IT FOR JAN.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Happy New Year, Mutiny! 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