{"id":4609,"date":"2007-07-28T15:50:33","date_gmt":"2007-07-28T20:50:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com?p=4609"},"modified":"2007-08-01T08:59:30","modified_gmt":"2007-08-01T13:59:30","slug":"whoa_is_dating","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com\/blog\/2007\/07\/28\/whoa_is_dating\/","title":{"rendered":"Whoa&#8211; is dating White not right?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"this is why i only date brown.JPG\" src=\"http:\/\/www.sepiamutiny.com\/sepia\/archives\/this is why i only date brown.JPG\" width=\"212\" height=\"186\" hspace=10 vspace=5 align=left \/><\/p>\n\n<p>&#8230;because according to some commenters, apparently, it isn&#8217;t.   <strong>Suddenly there are commentS about hot Desi girls choosing white guys over their own<\/strong>&#8212; and I emphasize the plural aspect of &#8220;comment&#8221;, because that&#8217;s what caught my attention&#8211; this wasn&#8217;t some one-off virtual rant.  Frankly, Mr. Shankly, I&#8217;m shocked.  While some of the people who are leaving the eyebrow-raising statements seem to be new, I&#8217;m fully aware that the normal pattern of Sepia engagement is:<\/p>\n\n<p>Random Googling &#8211;> Sepia? What the-? &#8211;> Hmmm, interesting &#8211;> Lurking &#8211;> and then finally, posting.<\/p>\n\n<p>If these anti-miscegenation fans have followed that tried-and-true process, then they&#8217;d be aware that there are more than a few members of the Mutiny community who are the products of interracial unions; I can&#8217;t imagine that they&#8217;d be so tactless as to disparage such pairings when they reflect someone like Siddhartha, Desidancer or SemiDesiMasala&#8217;s ancestry.<\/p>\n\n<p>So, maybe these are just mischief-instigating trolls, having some wicked fun via drive-by hate-spewing.<\/p>\n\n<p>Or <em>are<\/em> they?<\/p>\n\n<p>I think there&#8217;s more to this&#8211; and that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m publishing this post.  Let&#8217;s have it out, then.  Some of you seem to be in the mood to REALLY tell us what you think, so here&#8217;s your deluxe chance.  Almost everyone here is anonymous. \ud83d\ude42 It&#8217;s safe to be honest.<\/p>\n\n<p>The following comments were left on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sepiamutiny.com\/sepia\/archives\/004600.html\">my post about a woman named Aarti<\/a> being chosen as one of the cuter people on the Hill:<\/p>\n\n<blockquote><u>hillside<\/u>: Also <strong>I&#8217;ve never dated an Indian girl either, probably partly because so many of the hot ones like the two on this list are into white dudes<\/strong>. [<a href=\"http:\/\/www.sepiamutiny.com\/sepia\/archives\/004600.html#comment152643\">sm<\/a>]\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<blockquote>\n\n<blockquote><u>Sheetal<\/u>: (<em>referring to comment above<\/em>)<br>\nI&#8217;ve noticed this too. <strong>What is up with that?<\/strong> [<a href=\"http:\/\/www.sepiamutiny.com\/sepia\/archives\/004600.html#comment152646\">sm<\/a>]<\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Sheetal followed that comment by excerpting the following portion of the Hill article, making sure to highlight certain significant words by &#8220;bolding&#8221; them.<\/p>\n\n<blockquote><strong>Skipper<\/strong> is a native of Chicago but both <strong>parents are from India<\/strong> \u00e2\u20ac\u201d something that had worried her when it came to the issue of marriage. The handsome man in church soon became her boyfriend, but he was <strong>American<\/strong> and <strong>Caucasian<\/strong>, far from what she thought her parents would ever accept.<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Okay, loud and clear.  Jamie Skipper is Desi and she married a Caucasian (never mind that Desis are Caucasian, too). Yet another commenter seemed to agree with hillside and Sheetal:<!--more--><\/p>\n\n<blockquote><u>Kannan<\/u>: its interesting that you bring this up..<strong>We have parallels with the asian community<\/strong>. I&#8217;ve heard\/seen that before. <strong>Hot lil Korean spinner would rather hook up with tall lanky white dude than someone from her race and its kind of common because I know a lot of my asian brothers who want to date from their race gripe and bitch about it:<\/strong>) Its almost like an invisible social hierarchy And <strong>the same goes for desi guys, I have a lot of friends who date white girls just because they think it brings them more social value<\/strong>&#8221; Look at me FOB minority guy pulling from the majority race&#8221; <u>However for me its never really been race, its whether I was attracted to the person or not and it so happens I have never gone brown<\/u> \ud83d\ude42 [<a href=\"http:\/\/www.sepiamutiny.com\/sepia\/archives\/004600.html#comment152754\">sm<\/a>]<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Kannan, I think your final sentence encapsulates how most of us feel, but that doesn&#8217;t mean we can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t explore the other sentiments I&#8217;ve highlighted.<\/p>\n\n<p><strong>SM is at its best when we are honestly, openly and sometimes painfully hashing out the issues that our community\/others refuse to acknowledge or discuss<\/strong>; I didn&#8217;t put this post up in order to invite you to pillory &#8220;hillside&#8221; and &#8220;Sheetal&#8221;. They weren&#8217;t abusive, they were blunt. I wrote this post because I wanted to know how the rest of you felt.  The thing is, I am almost certain that they aren&#8217;t alone and that more of you agree with them than we realize. Maybe it&#8217;s time to call ourselves out.<\/p>\n\n<p>To be brutally honest, I&#8217;ve been there.  Years ago, I  crushed on Desi guys who only seemed to &#8220;swing one way&#8221;; I&#8217;ve been let down gently by being told that:<\/p>\n\n<p><em>If I did date Indian girls, you&#8217;d totally be my type.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><em>I&#8217;m just not attracted to dark skin&#8230;I like pink nipples (!)<\/em> (this from someone even darker than me)<\/p>\n\n<p>and the best one, ever,<\/p>\n\n<p><em>Um, I could never go out with you because it would be like dating my sister.  White girls don&#8217;t remind me of relatives.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p>And what do black and Asian girls remind you of?  It&#8217;s so telling that they almost never factor in to these cringe-inducing statements, it&#8217;s always <em>white<\/em> girls who are &#8220;preferred&#8221;, which invites doubt about the sincerity behind someone&#8217;s &#8220;type&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n<p>Predictably, each of those instances left me feeling wounded.  It didn&#8217;t help matters that every time my Mother came across some seemingly eligible, compatible (read: also raised-away-from-Mallus) ummarried boy, his mother would sorrowfully lament that<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8220;He already has girlfriend.  White. Enne chayum?&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n<p>Mom would come home, grumpy. &#8220;The second they graduate from law or med school, they run after a vellambi.  Chey!&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>I knew why my Mother said something so annoyingly ignorant. Encounters with unavailable, suitable boys combined with input from her coworkers, a good portion of whom are African-American, to create an explosive cocktail of hurt; soon, my Mother absorbed that odious complex about &#8220;successful POC going white&#8221;, <em>especially<\/em> after the cutest brown resident at her hospital took up with some &#8220;white nurse who wasn&#8217;t even pretty&#8221; instead of someone Indian\/Pinay\/Chinese\/Black (all of whom were\/are allegedly gorgeous, in comparison).  When they heard about the brown and white coupling, my Mother&#8217;s African American office mate snorted, &#8220;typical&#8221; while Ma shook her head and sighed.  She told me all about it, bitterly.<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8220;Mommy, maybe they&#8217;re in love?&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8220;Podi, penne. Stop being blonde.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8220;Mom you&#8217;re being unreasonable.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8220;You are never going to find a boy.  There are no educated Malayalee boys with three degrees.  If there are, they are only interested in the white girls.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t care how many degrees&#8230;remember?  I like engineers.  They usually have just one.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8220;Chinammamma is right.  That&#8217;s a recipe for disaster.  Boy should have more degrees than girl-&#8220;<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8220;- and be three years older, and three inches taller and blah blah blah.  Spare me, Ma.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8220;Make fun all you want, those things are accepted for a reason- they work. You want your husband to resent you?&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8220;I thought you didn&#8217;t care if I got married?&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t. It would save me money.  I&#8217;d rather travel than waste all that, or put the down-payment on a house for you. I have nothing to prove to your Father&#8217;s friends and I&#8217;ve never been interested in outdoing them.  I just&#8230;saw Mercy&#8217;s son and thought he was so cute.  My grandchildren would have been so cute!&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>All right-y, then. What&#8217;s hilarious is that my Mother had to alter her theory a year later, when &#8220;Mercy&#8217;s son&#8221; <em>got engaged to a Punjabi girl<\/em> he met in law school:<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8220;Sho!  Anyone but a Malayalee penne, eh?&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8220;What, Ma&#8230;now there&#8217;s a hierarchy?  White, then North Indian, then South?&#8221; \ud83d\ude00<\/p>\n\n<p>I didn&#8217;t really make peace with any of this until I met an adorable white guy who confessed that he liked me&#8230;only to hear me gracefully blurt out that I <em>only<\/em> date brown boys. It&#8217;s true, I can&#8217;t help it.  I always have gone brown and probably always will.  It&#8217;s just what I am attracted to&#8211; black hair, dark eyes, tan skin (fur optional).<\/p>\n\n<p>The epiphany I had at that moment, while staring in to wounded blue eyes and rapidly batting blonde lashes, brought me closure and a bit of enlightenment; duh, no one has to justify whom they are attracted to, but hopefully they are acting out of their purest feelings&#8211; we can&#8217;t help whom we fall for, but we <em>can<\/em> call ourselves out if we&#8217;re nursing some bizarre colonial hangover or other therapy-requiring-issue (full disclosure: I have a family member who ONLY dates white guys, because they are the polar opposite of her strict, very Desi Dad).<\/p>\n\n<p>There are other aspects to the complicated issue of human mixology, too&#8211; one of my dearest friends is finally in a blissful relationship.  <strong>With a black man<\/strong>.  After being repeatedly rejected by Desi guys for her tan skin and curves, she has given up on making her parents&#8217; dreams of an Indian son-in-law come true.  Instead, she found someone who will accept her just as she is; she has decided to do what makes her happy&#8211; and I am thrilled for her.  I&#8217;m also broken-hearted that essentially, she has to keep her love closeted. Additionally, I would enjoy beating the fecal matter out of the last Desi she went on a blind date with, who brilliantly said, &#8220;you&#8217;d be so pretty if you weren&#8217;t so dark!&#8221;, while recoiling from her.  But I&#8217;m protective and furious like that.<\/p>\n\n<p>Look. This stuff is real.  It happens.  Let&#8217;s talk about it, if you are in the mood. I&#8217;m opening a safe space for exploration, if you are so inclined.  You don&#8217;t have to be P.C. or fake, you just have to be respectful and courteous; controversial topics are impossible to fisk if we&#8217;re not, right?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8230;because according to some commenters, apparently, it isn&#8217;t. Suddenly there are commentS about hot Desi girls choosing white guys over their own&#8212; and I emphasize the plural aspect of &#8220;comment&#8221;, because that&#8217;s what caught my attention&#8211; this wasn&#8217;t some one-off &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com\/blog\/2007\/07\/28\/whoa_is_dating\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[47,10,30],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4609"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4609"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4609\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4609"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4609"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/sepiamutiny.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4609"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}