My PUMA is flummoxed by Palin.

“MA!”

“WHAT!”

“Did you hear??”

“What? McCain?”

“YES! Aw, Man! It’s only 8 or so in California…I thought I’d get to tell you.”

“No. I am listening to the NPR. Family Radio has become annoying. That man thinks the world will end in three years.”

“SO???”

“So what?”

“What do YOU think? You were so curious about whom he’d pick…”

“I was really disappointed when I heard it…my heart just went down to the floor. What’s wrong with this old man, has he lost his brain or something? She is a young girl. No experience. She is Governor of state with 8000 population for only two years. What’s she know?”

“I think…Alaska has more people than—“

“Who cares! Don’t interrupt! Point is, I can manage things better than she can. This is guaranteed losing ticket.”

“You wanted Joe Lieberman, didn’t you?”

“I did!”

“And why is that, Mummy?”

“Because he is a Democrat. Was. I mean, he is independent. Also, he was so nice to you, when you met with him and his wife.”

“Awesome reasoning, Ma. Anyway, if not Sarah, then whom?”

“I would rather he gone for that…kid…the Indian…the governor…”“Bobby Jindal?”

“Yes. Him. He is better than this Sarah. Or the other one.”

“WHICH one, Ma?”

“Oh, start naming the names, I will tell you.”

“Um…Pawlenty…Romney…”

“THAT ONE! The Romney.”

“(facetiously) Eeeew. You’d vote for a Mormon?”

“What is wrong with the Mormon?

“Well, what is wrong with a Muslim?”

“You are a smart Alex. Mormons are people, too.”

“So are Muslims. By the way, I think Mormons secretly convert people, who are in no position to object to such tomfoolery, since, oh, I don’t know…they’re DEAD.”

“Nooooo. That can’t be true.”

“Mom. We’re Orthodox. Officially, they’re heretics.”

“We are Orthodox, and we are religious. They didn’t secretly do anything to you. That’s why we have nothing to fear from a Mormon.”

“Are you implying Muslims are full of harm and that we should fear them, then?”

“I DID NOT SAY THAT. Are you putting this on your website? DON’T PUT LIES ON THAT WEBSITE ABOUT YOUR MOTHER.”

“It’s totally off the record, Ma.”

“You are a terrible liar, Latha.”

“Yes, yes I am.”

“Who is the Muslim??”

“No one. I was just being obnoxious.”

“I thought Obama was a Christian? Now I am confused.”

“He is Christian, not that it should matter. Whatever, I just wanted to know what my own PUMA thought of it all?”

“PUMA? What insult are you shamelessly calling your mother now?”

“Oh, you don’t know? PUMA. It stands for “Party Unity My…ah…I’m at work, so let’s go with Kundi. Party Unity My Kundi.”

“HAHAHAHA. So I am a PUMA, then?”

“You’re in good company, so is Abhi’s mom.”

“Who is Abhi?”

“The boy who started the website I write for–”

“Is he single?”

“Mom, seriously, that would be like marrying my brother. Besides, hello, I’m neither single nor looking? Have you no shame?”

“Vatewer. It’s a reflex, now. I just don’t know what I am going to do in this election.”

“Awww. You sound upset. You really wanted Hillary, didn’t you, Ma?”

“I did. She seems…she knows what she’s doing. She knows how the office would work. She has pull. She is tough. I wish I could vote for her.”

“You could always vote for Obama. He’s a democrat.”

“I’m not democrat.”

“Are you finally coming out of the closet, and admitting you’re a republican? I CALLED IT. I so called it, when I was in high school.

“I am not democrat OR republican.”

“Then? You’re an independent?”

“If some other candidate could come and be independent, I’d be happy. Now I feel like I have no choices.”

“You can do one of three things. You can vote for Obama, vote for McCain, or not vote at all, in which case, I will love you a little bit less.”

“Are we running a fashion parade here? Miss congeniality? What the hell? I can’t vote for McCain now…I don’t want that woman in the white house. Maybe he likes having the young girls around, who knows.”

“Ha. Well, I think her gender is definitely why she was chosen.”

“I know! Does he think I am stupid or something? I was not for Hillary because of that. He can’t expect me to jump up and down just because he picked a woman. What an idiot.”

“So…you do realize that Hillary and even Slick Willy are supporting Obama, right? And that they want you to vote for him, too?”

“Aren’t you at work? What have I told you about behaving in a professional Manner? GET OFF THE PHONE. If I were your Manager, I’d fire you for personal phone calls.”

“All right, all right. I love you too, Ma.”

“See you later crocodile.”

“After a while, alligator.”

425 thoughts on “My PUMA is flummoxed by Palin.

  1. As a proud PUMA: Hahahahahaha….Game, set, match McCain……Obama just got majorly pwned.

    Actually what’s funny is that a “proud PUMA” would rejoice so stupidly over a McCain Presidency. Didnt you know that he is an anti-feminist who is against Roe v Wade, against equal pay for equal work etc?

  2. 94 · jackal said

    most vp picks don’t matter. this matters a bit more than usual since mccain’s 72 and with every year the statistical chance of his facing health issues increases, and dramatically so.

    Agree with you, and it’s worth sharpening this point. John Sidney McCain III, exactly 72 yesterday, will be the ldest man ever to be nominated on his party’s ticket (Ronald Reagan was older at 73+ but only the second time, in 1984. And there was a lot of speculation that he displayed signs of Alzheimer’s during his second term, so that’s not something he can use in his defence!)

    Apart from any unforeseeable health concerns (including psychiatric ones) that come from his 5 years as a POW, he has had 4 melanomas – beginning in 1993, and underwent extensive surgery in 2000, and then again in 2002. (Obama would be the third youngest.) Link

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    blockquote>“With melanoma, a patient is never completely clear,” said Dr. Shapiro, the N.Y.U. expert. Link

    Even if he was, say, younger by 2 decades, Palin is still the wrong choice. It’s the choice one makes when one knows one isn’t going to win anyway, so one might as well make the party look good, even if 24 years behind the Democrats in putting a woman on the national ticket.

  3. If the Obama’s campaign main argument against Gov Palin is the ‘heartbeat away’ refrain, I’m afraid that is going to be woefully hypocritical after all the screaming they did about Hillary Clinton’s ‘anything can happen in politics’ remark back in June.

    And about women’s rights – McCain and Palin have themselves been a LOT more respectful of women than any ten of Obama’s finest campaign officials. And for the record, more than most people on this blog were (of course, none of us is running for elected office!)

    See part 2 of the Newsweek interview in http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190

    Sarah’s grateful for Title IX – that’s a huge source of feminist pride. She’s not very proud of her beauty queen days & tries to underplay it – saying she did it only to earn a scholarship for college. She calls people who question her ability to balance motherhood and a career ‘Neanderthals whom I’d be happy to escort back to their cave’: IOW, she’s fiercely independant.

    Sarah was actually MORE complimentary and understanding of Hillary Clinton than most Obama-Democrats were – at a time when SHE DIDNT NEED TO BE – back in March. She says she would’ve loved to jump on the Hillary Cinton bandwagon, but she currently supports McCain because of national security & federalism (remember she’s a Republican). She says she loves Hillary’s impatience to get things done, and her directness in going from Point A to Point B, and her non-wishy-washy-ness, and the fact that she doesnt see the need to use ‘charm’ to convince people. FWIW, her husband is a stay-at-home daddy. She’s definitely not the Phylis Schafly (sp?) mold.

    I’m sold. I’m not just highly appreciative of McCain’s political smarts, I LIKE this woman.

  4. does being understanding of hillary clinton include any of her richly-detailed policy proposals (neera tanden is now on the obama-biden campaign, btw) or vision or agenda for the country? because, um, hate to break it to you.. but the republican proposals (well, the relatively few that exist anyway) are often the polar opposite of hillary’s. and yes, sarah palin is quite quite republican.

    So, no, I don’t think she truly understood, or understands where Hillary, who has quite a history with the right wing, was coming from, in a political, or personal sense, and what she aimed to accomplish. She did call her ‘whiny’ though. Nice try!

    (also, you know, slight difference on ‘anything can happen’ between a healthy 47-year old and a 72-year old with past health concerns; something republican commentators themselves acknowledge especially with regards to the vp pick.)

  5. 103 · Chevalier said

    And about women’s rights – McCain and Palin have themselves been a LOT more respectful of women than any ten of Obama’s finest campaign officials.

    yes, especially her no rape/incest exception for abortion thing. and mccain’s rape jokes, and mccain’s abortion record, as well as voting record on equal pay for women (which obama was in favor of), among other things (such as your hero’s daughter’s ugliness being inherited from the masculine janet reno).

    I’m sold.

    hey chevalier, want a bridge in brooklyn?

    I LIKE this woman.

    well, don’t fall out of like with her or you might lose your job. well, at least on the ethical malpractice thing, she’s a quick study and really quite precocious.

  6. I just cannot comprehend this voting b/c we have a woman running thing. I see myself as a member of society before I see myself as a woman.

  7. 103 · Chevalier said

    If the Obama’s campaign main argument against Gov Palin is the ‘heartbeat away’ refrain, I’m afraid that is going to be woefully hypocritical after all the screaming they did about Hillary Clinton’s ‘anything can happen in politics’ remark back in June.

    yes, thankfully mccain has never been hypocritical about anything, so obama’s team’s hypocritical comments are an excellent reason to vote for johnny mac.

  8. 105 · the doctor said

    yes, especially her no rape/incest exception for abortion thing.

    Well, she’s not alone!!!

    Palin is a wise choice. She rallies the conservative base, and they’re more important to McCain than independent and undecided voters. People are complaining that this ticket isn’t in touch with “everyday America”. Um, who cares? For the most part, “everyday America” doesn’t vote.

  9. Sarah Palin – an attempt to energize anti-abortion, NRA-types that feel unenthusiastic about McCainn. Call her what she is – Quota Queen.

  10. Yes, I did. What are you going to about it? Bring it on

    .

    Heh. I would like to call attention to this brilliant slam, which simultanesously manages to dismiss the clueless valmiki while smacking bush.

  11. As a guy who voted for Obama, I can say that I wish McCain picked Lieberman because that would have guaranteed him a loss. What good is more experience when people like Lieberman foolishly advocated ridiculous wars with Iraq? Palin might turn off some Hillaryites from the Dem party now, but she will energize the female republicans while campaigning. I have seen clips of her. i despise her religious fundamentalism but she seems to be a dynamic campaigner providing energy to the McCain campaign. She seems to have better leadership qualities than Kay Bailey or Joe Loserman. THere is some debate on how much opposition she really provided against the Bridge to Nowhere. Then there is troopergate. But I think her lack of enough experience is not a big issue. Plenty of experienced fools cost this country thousands of lives and trillions of money in the foolish impotent and unfocused war on terror.

  12. frankly, as a Hillary supporter, I am insulted that this is what the republicans are dangling out before us, hoping that we’ll take the bait. do they realize that most of us are pro-choice, anti-NRA, working moms who believe in Hill’s health care for all plan, etc? Never in a million years would I vote for this female Huckabee. We should all work as hard as possible to prevent her from getting within a heartbeat of office. Otherwise, I am sure that we can kiss roe v. wade goodbye. Does anyone know if she has any position on immigrant rights issues? I can’t imagine that the topic came up in BFE Alaska, but who knows. I hope that this backfires on McCain.

  13. Random musings: Politics aside, Palin’s definitely a MILF…and as a mallu penti gone sour, Harold Camping is still alive let alone still predicting the end of the world?

  14. frankly, as a Hillary supporter, I am insulted that this is what the republicans are dangling out before us, hoping that we’ll take the bait. do they realize that most of us are pro-choice, anti-NRA, working moms who believe in Hill’s health care for all plan, etc?

    I’m beginning to think Palin is not aimed at you, or other women, but white working class men. After all, if given the choice between the skinny black guy with the odd name, or a MILF who is good with guns and kids, which do you think working class men in PA, OH, and MI are gonna go for? One of the criticisms I’ve made about “diversity” talk or affirmative action is that white women tend to be the main beneficiaries of such programs.

    Women View Palin More Skeptically Than Men

    These numbers pretty much speak for themselves, but men have a favorable imperssion of Palin by a 35-point margin, whereas women have a favorable impression of her by an 18-point margin. Conversely, by a 23-point margin, women do not think Palin is ready to be President, whereas Palin lost this question among men by a considerably smaller 6-point magrin.

    (Tip to the Daily Dish)

  15. I think this could be real interesting if a woman is VP. How would the Muslim world handle this? Would Saudi’s ever interact with her? Could Iran or al-qaeda put up with a woman unbeliever giving speeches about crushing them in a war? This could be potentially hilarious.

    Also does anyone else believe the second they win the election her Iraq bound son all of the sudden is deemed to much a risk to the troops and brought back to the USA?

  16. 96 · Valmiki said

    Actually he is 25% eskimo, looks like the stereotypical blue collar white, belongs to a union, works as a fisherman, does not have a college degree, is a champion snowmobiler, family man, evangelical christian etc

    103 · Chevalier said

    FWIW, her husband is a stay-at-home daddy

    Wonder how that works together [if they are true]?! And that is supposed to energize a patriarchal section of the society?

  17. I’m beginning to think Palin is not aimed at you, or other women, but white working class men.

    Yes. Very early days, but here is the path to victory in a close election:

    1) Must protect Ohio(20) and Virginia(13) — currently tied 2) Must protect slender leads in Montana(3), Dakotas(6)

    Assuming Florida and Missouri to be safe, 1) and 2) give 260. Given Obama’s caucus campaign in Iowa and demographics in New Mexico, those two states are hard to recover. That leaves Colorado(9), Nevada(5) and New Hampshire(4). 269-269 tie takes it to house and a defeat, so just winning Colorado out of the three, or losing Colorado and winning both Nevada and New Hampshire isn’t going to help. Current poll results show a slightly bigger lead for democrats in Nevada(3%) than in New Hampshire (1%), but I think it is easier to defend Nevada than to pick up New Hampshire.

    Therefore, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado and Nevada are the key must-win states. Puma swing is not going to clinch those four states; a huge turnout of an energized base is the only hope. [link]

  18. 115 · KXB said

    Women View Palin More Skeptically Than Men
    These numbers pretty much speak for themselves, but men have a favorable imperssion of Palin by a 35-point margin, whereas women have a favorable impression of her by an 18-point margin. Conversely, by a 23-point margin, women do not think Palin is ready to be President, whereas Palin lost this question among men by a considerably smaller 6-point magrin.
    (Tip to the Daily Dish)

    Of course people are skeptical. They don’t know the woman. What an obvious tactic claiming that women don’t like Palin; that’s a far-fetched assertion since most people have no clue about her and just learned her name.

    A swing and a miss from KXB. Try again please.

  19. I would like to call attention to this brilliant slam, which simultanesously manages to dismiss the clueless valmiki

    A thuggish adolescent saying yes I lied, so what, what are you going to about it, must be a “brilliant” debater indeed 🙂

    Not surprising at all to see a sedentary glutton who keeps boasting of his tight abs, come to the defense of another lie….

  20. A swing and a miss from KXB. Try again please.

    Not knowing someone does not automatically lead to being skeptical. But what was interesting is that despite the fact that men and women were introduced to Palin at the same time, you see such a divergence in the level of skepticism. Again, men are much more persuaded by a pretty face than women. Since an election is essentially a job interview, the American public is being asked to choose the ticket with the war hero and seemingly warm woman on one side, and the uppity black guy and Washington know-it-all on the other. I’m not saying the election is over, a lot can happen. But McCain has clearly focused on short-term electibility, at the expense of governance and security on the other.

  21. 121 · Valmiki said

    Not surprising at all to see a sedentary glutton who keeps boasting of his tight abs, come to the defense of another lie….

    don’t forget my bum.

  22. Isn’t it obvious what’s happening here? Haven’t I been warning you? Palin’s hot. Obama’s lean. It can only mean one thing. Oprah has taken over.

  23. Heres something else for the bitter PUMAs to chew on: the gun toting, moose hunting, beauty queen Sarah Palin called their heroine Hillary Clinton a whiner. And she seems to identify with Obama’s message of change:

    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/09/08/080908ta_talk_gourevitch

    “Before she was running against him, Sarah Palin—the governor of Alaska and now the Republican candidate for Vice-President of the United States—thought it was pretty neat that Barack Obama was edging ahead of John McCain in her usually solidly red state. After all, she said, Obama’s campaign was using the same sort of language that she had in her gubernatorial race. “The theme of our campaign was ‘new energy,’ ” she said recently. “It was no more status quo, no more politics as usual, it was all about change. So then to see that Obama—literally, part of his campaign uses those themes, even, new energy, change, all that, I think, O.K., well, we were a little bit ahead on that.” She also noted, “Something’s kind of changing here in Alaska, too, for being such a red state on the Presidential level. Obama’s doing just fine in polls up here, which is kind of wigging people out, because they’re saying, ‘This hasn’t happened for decades that in polls the D’ ”—the Democratic candidate—“ ‘is doing just fine.’ To me, that’s indicative, too. It’s the no-more-status-quo, it’s change.”

  24. KXB:

    I’m beginning to think Palin is not aimed at you, or other women, but white working class men. After all, if given the choice between the skinny black guy with the odd name, or a MILF who is good with guns and kids, which do you think working class men in PA, OH, and MI are gonna go for?

    You may be right on this. I did find that ex-Watergate burglar G. Gordon Liddy (now some sort of radio host) was/is also making calendars with pictures of women (including MILFs) with guns: link. Appealing to similar demographics?

  25. I’m beginning to think Palin is not aimed at you, or other women, but white working class men.

    No doubt the selection of Sarah Palin excites the blue collar bubbas who spend Sunday morning at evangelical churches, Sunday afternoon at NASCAR and the evening at strip clubs where the juke box is filled with country music. But many women too, including hard core PUMAs, are also excited by the possibility of seeing a female in the White House.

    By the way, where are those evangelical wackos who were praying so fervently to God that he rain on Obama’s big night at the stadium last thursday? Why arent they praying to stop Hurricane Gustav from spoiling their evangelical heroine’s coming out party?

  26. 122 · KXB said

    A swing and a miss from KXB. Try again please.
    Not knowing someone does not automatically lead to being skeptical. But what was interesting is that despite the fact that men and women were introduced to Palin at the same time, you see such a divergence in the level of skepticism.

    Why does that even matter? Palin has only been on the ticket since the day before yesterday! All this poll proves is that men make quick decisions. Thank you for that eye-opening piece of info.

    The convention begins Monday. Palin will get her chance to introduce herself to female voters. So women are skeptical. Big deal. A stage will be provided for her to answer to that next week. Polls like the one you linked to will be far more relevant after the convention.

  27. What movie do you think McCain and Palin will view together on a date ? The recently released Ben Kingsley Cruz starrer Elegy 😉

  28. August 30, 2008 Palin booed for mentioning Hillary Clinton Posted: 07:35 PM ET

    From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby

    Palin is praising Clinton on the trail as the GOP woos the New York senator’s supporters. WASHINGTON, Pennsylvania (CNN) – This might not be the best way to reach out to those disillusioned Hillary Clinton supporters.

    In just her second appearance on the campaign trail with John McCain, newly-minted GOP running mate Sarah Palin was showered with boos on Saturday for attempting to praise Clinton’s trail-blazing bid to become the first female president.

    As she did at in her debut speech in Ohio yesterday, Palin appealed to the women in the crowd here in Pennsylvania with a political shout-out to Geraldine Ferraro, who preceded Palin as the first women to be tapped as a vice presidential candidate. The reference was met with polite applause.

    But in contrast with the mild reception that greeted the comment at the Ohio event, when Palin praised Clinton here for showing “determination and grace in her presidential campaign,” the Alaska governor was met with a noisy mix of boos, groans and grumbles around the minor league ballpark where the “Road to the Convention Rally” was held.

    Palin quickly recovered, promising the audience that female candidates weren’t yet finished, and that she and McCain were on their way to victory in November.

    Filed under: Hillary Clinton • Sarah Palin

  29. On a more serious note, Sarah Palin is even more like GWB than McCain is:

    Governor of a state that’s rich in oil resources: check.

    Tends to be evangelical on social issues: check.

    Has no national-level government experience: check.

    She’s just another Bush. And this is the choice of the guy who was once considered a maverick?

  30. Sarah Palin – an attempt to energize anti-abortion, NRA-types that feel unenthusiastic about McCainn. Call her what she is – Quota Queen.

    I’m not sure that is so bad if you actually read Biden’s record:

    Some saleinet points of note from CNET:

    By choosing Joe Biden as their vice presidential candidate, the Democrats have selected a politician with a mixed record on technology who has spent most of his Senate career allied with the FBI and copyright holders, who ranks toward the bottom of CNET’s Technology Voters’ Guide, and whose anti-privacy legislation was actually responsible for the creation of PGP.

    Last year, Biden sponsored an RIAA-backed bill called the Perform Act aimed at restricting Americans’ ability to record and play back individual songs from satellite and Internet radio services. (The RIAA sued XM Satellite Radio over precisely this point.) All of which meant that nobody in Washington was surprised when Biden was one of only four U.S. senators invited to a champagne reception in celebration of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act hosted by the MPAA’s Jack Valenti, the RIAA, and the Business Software Alliance.

    “Anti-terror” legislation The next year, months before the Oklahoma City bombing took place, Biden introduced another bill called the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995. It previewed the 2001 Patriot Act by allowing secret evidence to be used in prosecutions, expanding the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and wiretap laws, creating a new federal crime of “terrorism” that could be invoked based on political beliefs, permitting the U.S. military to be used in civilian law enforcement, and allowing permanent detection of non-U.S. citizens without judicial review. The Center for National Security Studies said the bill would erode “constitutional and statutory due process protections” and would “authorize the Justice Department to pick and choose crimes to investigate and prosecute based on political beliefs and associations.” link

    But wait, I guess he’s all for “Change” now. Better check you computer … you might have software or music that might violate a Biden law and send you to jail.

  31. I wonder why people are not more critical of Palin’s manifestly cruel decision of not aborting a child with down syndrome. Hopefully by the time the child grows up, the laws would give him the ability to sue Palin for being so irresponsible.

  32. 133 · Pagal_Aadmi_for_debauchery said

    I wonder why people are not more critical of Palin’s manifestly cruel decision of not aborting a child with down syndrome. Hopefully by the time the child grows up, the laws would give him the ability to sue Palin for being so irresponsible.

    Probably because she has a different interpretation of what life is and what values are associated with it.

    That aside, you cannot determine with a 100% accuracy if a child will have down’s syndrome.

  33. Moreover, the way you have made your point smacks of ignorance and insensitivity. As someone who used to participate in events where kids my age suffering from Down’s Syndrome participated, and having friends and family who have children with down’s syndrome…I would hardly describe their existence as “cruel”.

    Maybe you should analyze your own value system before you make light of other’s…

  34. And by your yardstick, In families, whose socio-economic status would ensure that if a girl is born her existence would be cruel…are justified in having a girl-child aborted…

  35. 103 · Chevalier said

    And about women’s rights – McCain and Palin have themselves been a LOT more respectful of women than any ten of Obama’s finest campaign officials.

    Whichever cave you may have been in, we have had the sunshine for years now, since around 1992 when the Hillary as evil/*****/*******/Vince Fosteree etc., began. The Rethuglican [gutter] press has made a neat pile out of a trade in Hillary smears. Added to that John McSame’s own smears of Hillary, Chelsea, and any other woman, inclusing his own wife whom he called a trollope of a ****. And then not to forget the Hillary nutcracker that was made up by the Rush Limbaugh crook brigade. After years of vilification of self-made and educated women, does the McSame camp expect people to believe that they are for empowering women? But then sadly that may yet come true. Adlai Stevenson had it right when he said of the support of the smart people, “But I need a majority to win.” And so it is about every Presidential election. It is only wholesale groups that can be held on to. Issues can’t be sold. This happened in 2000 when guys thought it was cool to vote for Bush-Cheney. Look at the lengths Michelle and Hillary must go to efface their ideas, their smarts, their talent. The nomination of Clarence Thomas was an insult coming after it did to succeed the titan Thurgood Marshall. This veep pick of Sarah Palin is a gambit by the Bush machine to turn the GOP inside out, of course with McSame’s cooperation. This is a deal worked out by the Bush machine and McSame who after the insults and smear heaped on him in 2000 has caved in completely -maverick no more, just sidekick. The last eight years have seen a procession of below par professional appointments – Tomlinson at NPR and that kook at NASA who questioned NASA’s statement on cosmology. When McSame retires it will be Palin and a new group of ignorants who are going to run the administration. if you though “Brownie you are doing a heckuva job” was smart wait till you see the ones that come with Palin in four years’ time.

  36. as an obstetrician, yes you can can determine with nearly 100% accuracy that a fetus will have trisomy 21 (Down’s), by amniocentesis

  37. Palin is no “girl.” Where I come from, we don’t refer to grown women in their forties who are Governors as girls…not unless you are a good ol’ boy and don’t know better. That must be the case here. I find it sad and ironic that many woman fail to examine her career or take her seriously as a candidate just because she is a woman….I wonder if people would refer to Gov. Bobby Kindal as a “boy”….or Gov. Kaine. I guess her resume pales in comparison to Obama’s impressive resume. He sure is a hell of a campaigner and fundraiser. That is change we can believe in. Who cares about actual “work”–that is small stuff (like the tax rebates she sent out to working families, how she successfully passed a windfall profit tax on the oil company, like the reform she worked on, how she uprooted the corrupt republican network in Alaska…and this list goes on….) That doesn’t matter…she is just a girl Governor who is pretty. We know pretty women cannot lead or be taken seriously! As if.

  38. would hardly describe their existence as “cruel”.

    Agreed.

    To add, how Downs Syndrome impacts a child/individual ranges from mild to severe. I don’t think anyone can predict where a child falls in that range at birth, I’m not sure, maybe some of the docs here can chime in? People with downs syndrome are quite functional in most cases and capable of human emotions. I would hardly call that cruel.

    Whether a mother wants to abort or not is up to the mother. That’s what pro-choice is about…now after birth how parents take care of their kids can be negligent, which would be cruel. I don’t see any issue with a mother deciding to have a child, even if the child has down syndrome, as long as the child is loved and taken care of. If the parent isn’t going to be responsible nor have the resources, then it’s quite understandable that a choice is made not to bring a child in to the world.

  39. 140 · shalini said

    as an obstetrician, yes you can can determine with nearly 100% accuracy that a fetus will have trisomy 21 (Down’s), by amniocentesis

    I wanted someone else to bring that up…isn’t there a risk of miscarriage associated with that?

  40. 131 · pingpong said

    She’s just another Bush. And this is the choice of the guy who was once considered a maverick?

    both David Frum and Shannen Coffin are calling the pick unwise and basically tantamount to McCain announcing that the office of VP is entirely unnecessary (which I would agree with.) I find it prudent to run for the hills when the Frumburglar is dissenting from the approach taken by the GOP and when someone at the NRO ponies up enough dough to buy the massive amounts of Cheetos necessary to distract Jonah long enough to run a nearly unambiguously negative reaction in the NRO.

    OTOH it could just be McCain calling the Heartland’s bluff and selecting the archetypal uber-mom.

  41. 146 · Nayagan said

    I find it prudent to run for the hills when the Frumburglar is dissenting from the approach taken by the GOP and when someone at the NRO ponies up enough dough to buy the massive amounts of Cheetos necessary to distract Jonah long enough to run a nearly unambiguously negative reaction in the NRO.

    Do you actually read these dunces?

    Ignorance is a virtue for the base. So whether he Biden-Palin debate sees sparks or goes South for Palin the base will be thrilled. Remember the base uses Minstry of Truth methods. When Democratic woman pursues career and gets her husband to manage the backoffice, she is being *****, a man-eater, a nutcracker. When the other side does it, she is showing determination, work-life balance etc etc. The NRO has spent the last 5 years in anticipation of a Hillary campaign trashing professional career women, pay equity etc. Now that they have a woman who has done all of these, those actions become OK all of a sudden. But the base will buy it. Remember what Adlai Stevenson said about smart people, “But I need a majority to win.”

  42. 147 · jyotsana said

    The NRO has spent the last 5 years in anticipation of a Hillary campaign trashing professional career women, pay equity etc.

    Can you post some links? I’d like to know how exactly the NRO has spent the last 5 years trashing professiional career women.

  43. Too many of these comments show a severe misunderstanding of the Republican party and of conservative principles. The media has been all over this trying to make it seem like it was a pick meant to get angry Clinton voters. That is a tiny, tiny slice of the issue. She is in many ways, a younger, female version of McCain.

    She overcame the corrupt REPUBLICANS in her state in order to get government to start working for the people she served.

    She took the private jet from the previous administration and put it on ebay, giving the profits to native Alaskans.

    She said no to that ridiculous Bridge to Nowhere.

    She has gone toe to toe with big Oil, raising oil taxes higher than they have ever been to get Alaskans their constitutionally mandated piece of the pie.

    That’s REFORM (with a record of actually doing so) that many Americans can believe in.

    People here know next to nothing about her and yet have so much to say. In the first DAY, the Palin choice brought in 7 MILLION dollars in contributions.

    Clinton supporters, many Republicans are more than happy if you switch over to vote for McCain, but once again in this campaign, this isn’t about you. There are many independent voters out there who aren’t hyper partisan and who are glad to give the Republican ticket a second look now.

    And I’ll add that I’m quite sick of Democrats acting as if they are the only party for women (not every feminist believes in abortion on demand), blacks, latinos, and other ethnic minorities in this country. Contrary to popular belief, many of us don’t feel we have to wait for government in order to either help ourselves OR help other people. We’re self-starters regardless of who gets elected.

  44. 149 · NotADemocrat said

    She said no to that ridiculous Bridge to Nowhere.

    Which by the way, the Obamessiah, the “reformer” voted for.