What is it about Princesses and Pakistanis? First Jemima Khan converted to Islam to marry Imran Khan. Then there was a whole drama between Princess Diana and her one true love, “Mr. Wonderful”, Dr. Hasnat Khan. Diana was reportedly considering conversion and possibly even a life in Pakistan. And now, the ever reliable Sun reports that Britney Spears is also considering converting to Islam and moving to Pakistan to be with her current boyfriend, paparazzi Adnan Ghalib.
But let’s back up to the Diana story first, because it’s the most interesting. According to her butler, Diana begged Khan to marry her:
“This was her soul mate,” he said. “This was the man she loved more than any other. It was a very deep and spiritual relationship.” Khan would often visit Diana and her boys at Kensington Palace, Burrell added, because the Princess was “adamant” that William and Harry get to know and grow to like Khan.Burrell revealed that he and Diana discussed giving Khan his own quarters at the Palace and that the Princess was so serious about marrying Khan she asked Burrell to find out if it was possible for them to have a private wedding.[Link]
She even met his family in Pakistan and kept in touch with his mother:
[Said Khan’s mother] “She was so nice, so friendly and down to earth. She met my mother, Hasnat’s grandmother, my nephews and nieces, all the family.” [Link]
Meanwhile she stopped speaking to her own mother because of her mother’s opposition to the relationship:
“She called the Princess a whore and said she was messing around with eff-ing Muslims and she was disgraceful and said some very nasty things.” It was after that conversation, he said, that Diana decided she didn’t want to speak to her mother ever again. [Link]
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p>Dodi then, was just a rebound, a way to get Hasnat jealous after he said that cultural differences would make it impossible to marry. This explains why the relationship was so public, and why she courted the paparazzi whose attention would spiral out of control:
She started dating Dodi in part, said Burrell, to make Khan jealous. …”She knew very well what she was doing.” All those tabloid photos of Dodi and Di cavorting on his yacht? The Princess counted on the cameras watching them… [Link]
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p>Britney Spears seems intent on proving the adage that history repeats itself, first as tragedy then as farce:
Meanwhile the fallen singer has been telling pals how much she’s in love with Ghalib, 35 and that she plans to marry him and convert to his faith, Islam. In her crazier moments she’s even been threatening to fake her own death to start a new life with him in Pakistan.The News Of The World also revealed that Ghalib’s respectable Sunni Muslim family in Birmingham are so horrified by his antics they have disowned him. One family member told the paper: “His parents … are devastated. This week his dad gave him an ultimatum, ‘Give up Britney, or you are dead to me,’ which Adnan ignored…” [Link]
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Meanwhile Pakistani women are wondering what they need to do to get a bit of attention:
“Look at the way they treat our women. I think they are so chauvinistic and full of themselves. I wonder what these women find attractive in them? May be they should launch their charm offensive on Pakistani women. That’s something we women will never complaint against,” Haq chuckled. [Link]
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p>And Rasika is warning other desi men not to get too (ahem) cocky:
Move along guys, there’s no coat-tails for non-Pakistani desi men to ride here …
If you go Sindhi, your in-laws gonna have some problems if you from Rawalpindi.
If you ever go Manju, have a sense of humor if you’re a Jew.
100 · nala said
Oh dear God, please forgive me for corrupting young innocent minds.
Buf* (meant to rhyme w/Telugu) is a stupid outdated 80’s term. (For the record, I have zero homophobic tendencies and will think more carefully before typing.)
Even this proud veteran of Chiru v. Balayya pop-culture wars from the 80s is not getting it.
Please don’t hesitate to corrupt this not so young innocent mind.
Sadly news stories of late would have us believe that: Once you go brown…you’re going down!
I guess I need to explain (and truly apologize for post 95).
During my childhood, my parents & I would sometimes attend these Telugu events and the few kids my age would be extremely bored. I realize this will date me way back, but the mean spirited and disrespectful kids (that were dragged there by their parents) would call the mc’s and organizers “gay” (a term which I detest when used negatively) etc. (I should mention that I was also bored to tears at these Telugu events because my knowledge of Telugu is limited, and the lousy 70’s and 80’s Telugu movies that they had, etc . Not that I am or ever was holier than thou, I hardly complained about being irritated. I just thought along with my Indian friends that many of these Indian events were irrelevant and not interesting. I haven’t been to a TANA or ATA meet in years and probably things have changed with time. Hopefully for the better but most big groups and organizations will have stupid politics, imperfections etc.
Sorry to go off topic too.
Now about Miss Britney Spears and her current beau. It looks like they are using each other as I understand from the gossip.
once you go malayalee- you lose all hope and turn to memebers of your own team 😉
just kidding, kidding is just like pudding with a key ( say it in a heavy mallu accent- it is really funny!)- my own creation.
If you go Marathi you’ll always eat hot chapatti.
If you go Bong you might break into a song.
If you go Sindhi you’ll have a child named Bindi.
“I always interpreted that restriction as another way for Islam to spread itself. Get a woman into the faith through marriage, you gain one more person who will spread Islam via progeny. Lose a woman, the faith loses all her off-spring too. This probably is too much of a cynical view.”
Islam is a product of its origins. It contains the bedouin worldview. Islam is humane when influenced by older civilizations as is the case in Egypt, Turkey, Persia, India and Indonesia. It is barbaric when the older influences are purged. Saudi Arabia and Talibanized Afghanistan are the result. The problem today is Saudi Arabia is exporting Bedouim primitivism as the true faith.
83 · muralimannered said
What? Je ne comprend pas.
Once you go Tamil, no one else will fit the bill.
recite malcolm x’s autobio backwards
You invoked Malcolm X. How could you? <…Looking around for HMF…>
recite malcolm x’s autobio backwards
111 is supposed to read:
You invoked Malcolm X. How could you? … Looking around for HMF …
Once a Punjabi goes Madrasi …
finds out that they could be Tamil, Telugu, Kannada or Malyalam.
You’ll never feel guilty going Gulti.
I know, I know, lame attempt. But I do have a sweet spot for Telugus. Once you go Telugu you’ve found your guru.
I sure hope that couple from Malawi gets to adopt the Federline children.””In our country, a good mother does not show her business to the press,” Mrs. M said. “It is very bad luck…The Federline children have been living, in one of the richest cities in the world, trapped in a seemingly endless cycle of depravity, narcissism, and veganism.”
Once you go Punjabi, you’ll become dil diwani.
Oh, be still my dil. (credit: ANNA, for that one.)
Wow, the mere mention of a Muslim and so much hate is thrown our way on SepiaMutiny. Couldn’t the Hindutva crowd just be happy that a desi lookin dude could be potentially bangin out Britney Spears? Don’t you guys see the potential ? No more jerking off to porn, crying after your done , despairing in your own sweat and shame, complaining about how all the desi girls are going out with pasty white dudes, now you could be making sweet love to a blonde Southern bombshell. That dude Ghalib looks like a herb too and he’s still gettin it in! (potentially)….but no some of you got so much hate in your heart you guys actually took this negatively and started Islam-bashing. I don’t understand, Muslims don’t even talk about Hindus the way the Hindutva crowd talks about Muslims…and the funny and sad thing is Hindus are the majority in India! Its not like Muslims are some economic elite, them fools is broke and uneducated, they’re basically like blacks in America (good at sports and entertainment, and of course crime) What is there to complain about?!? But still, theres some of you who gotta bring in something completely hateful about Islam,to the point where I think some of are you in love with Muslims…we stay on your mind and you stay on our jock.
I have no problem with the other Hindus on here that are just snarky , a lot of cool people on this site. But the Hindutva crowd is seriously a big turnoff.
Once you go Bess, you don’t need the rest.
You got that right, JJ ;
(thinking of asking you to go skating)
What’s funny is that some of the more negative comments about Islam/Muslims came from commenters who aren’t Hindu (clueless) or part of the frequently-accused-of-being-a-Hindu-fundie crowd (Mel) that I know of.
Once you go Hindutva, you’ll be getting into daily fights with the doodhwala.
117 · Bang Gully said
Ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Indonesia, Malayasia, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Radical terrorist groups that massacre thousands of Hindus every year.
Preferential laws that redistribute money from Hindus to Muslims in India (hajj subsidies, taxing Hindu temples to subsidize mosques) and give Muslims privileges unavailable to Hindus.
Routine riots in India for little things like someone eating a pear while passing a mosque on Ramadan.
Rhetoric like this coming from mainstream mosques.
Unwanted attempts to convert us to Islam by force.
Failure to root out terrorism and extremism from your religion, causing us Hindus to get racially profiled as well (in the West the average Hindu “looks more Muslim” to non-Muslims than the average Muslim.
Aggression against non-Muslims even in diaspora communities.
I could go on but I don’t want to hijack the thread 🙂
Boston Mahesh (Not ‘Yo Mahesh’ the fearsome TN Ranji Trophy side seamer? I think that’s a great name),
i just thought of “Tam-urrll”(Tamizh) and “Lorrrrl”(Laugh Out Loud) and it suddenly clicked. not high art by any means.
Bess,
I’m honored that you think I’m skate worthy. (start at 1:35) But, I’m not one to step into another man’s relationship. It’s a man rule. But…. if things between you and Harbeer don’t pan out (he turns out to be a bad skater) well….. (blushing)….
No pressure Harbeer, yaar.
JGandhi, so I assume you condemn the BJP, VHP, RSS, and Narendra Modi as the disgusting scum they are for the kinds of atrocities they perpetrated? Not to mention the routine violence and intimidation against churches and Christians?
Because I am sure you agree that selective silence by moderate members of the religion does the entire community no credit.
124 · Rahul said
The Hindutva issue is very complex and I don’t think I could address it w/o hijacking the thread. Bang Gully seemed to be sincerely perplexed why there is resentment against Islam.
Ah, I understand. Thanks for explaining. Islamic fanaticism is simple enough to summarize in a few lines, whereas condemning state sponsored pogroms with a fundamentalist agenda is complex enough to require parrying, equivocation and Kabuki dancing.
123 · Jangali Janwar said
Dude, I am a horrible skater and I would never stand in the way of true love. I’m just a drifter who swings by here (read: comments obsessively) when he’s got a looming deadline–pay me no mind. See y’all around.
Sorry, I should have said: Hatred against Muslims is simple enough to summarize in a few lines.
128 · Rahul said
Meh. I can do it in one word.
126 · Rahul said
I was giving quick examples of the causes of resentment against Islam for a guy who seemed to downright perplexed, I wasn’t explaining Islamic fanaticism. And of course I denounce all state-sponsored killing. But you weren’t asking me that before, were you? You were asking me to condemn several broad-based movements.
I condemn violence and hatemongering of any sort perpetrated by Hindu fundies in India, that’s sort of a given. But it’s annoying when you can’t mention why MANY people (not just Hindus, but many Americans and Europeans as well) have misgivings about Islam, and pointing out Islamic fanaticism becomes hatred against Muslims. It’s possible to acknowledge this but not hold anything against Muslims that you meet/know personally. I mean, on another thread a couple of months ago someone insinuated that I’m some kind of Hindutvadi Islamophobe, and I went out with a Muslim boy in high school, for crying out loud (and Bang Gully, he actually did say a lot of shit about Hindus, but he was a jerk in general so I won’t make any extrapolations based on him).
Again, thanks for the clarification. I understand the distinction between the specific issue of a Muslim guy dating Britney inspiring generic hateful statements against the specific narrow-based incident (as opposed to, you know, a religion/movement/state of being) of Islam and the complex broad based movement of week long massacre, rape, and genocide against Muslims with the active connivance of the Hindu leaders of the state.
But that’s exactly what Bang Gully was asking. Why does a discussion about some Muslim guy have to devolve into generic Islam hating statements? Does the fact that Diana dated Hasnat and Imran married Jemima and Britney is considering going to Pakistan with Adnan warrant the broad based statements made in response to Bang Gully’s question?
And I am not referring to you, nala.
I have a question – if Muslim women are only supposed to marry other Muslims but Muslim men are allowed to marry other ‘People of the Book,’ why are these (Christian) women like Britney and Jemima Khan converting to marry their men? Or does the nikkah require both people to be Muslim regardless of gender/religion pairings? But then doesn’t that essentially mean that Muslim men are only allowed to marry other Muslims as well?
I think many SM threads end up discussing something that is only tangential to the original post or which extrapolates on one issue mentioned in the original post. And these Western women converting to Islam to be with their men was one of the topics mentioned in the original post, so I don’t think it’s completely random that people end up discussing Islam re: conversions, in general, though I agree that some comments were unnecessarily negative.
I guess that once you go Islamic, the discussion is no longer very seraphic.
Once one goes fanatic, maybe all they can be is phobic.
If Rahul tries to rhyme, he reaches his goal like Abe Lincoln on a dime.
p.s. nala feels the need to clarify, there’s no meanness involved, she’s just trying to be sly.
Can we bring discussion back to funny rhymes and playboys?
127 · Harbeer said
Oye Bess,
I may not be pakistani, but, after skating with me, you’ll remember your jawaanee. 😉
Sure thing, Ennis, as long as you promise not to give us advice like Cary Tennis.
As for playboys, I think some comments have alerted us that they do in fact read Playboy for the articles, it’s a fact, just like how the animal with the largest phallus proportional to its body is the barnacle.
Ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Indonesia, Malayasia, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Do you know what “ethnic cleansing” even is? This is from wikipedia, “Ethnic cleansing refers to various policies or practices aimed at the displacement of an ethnic group from a particular territory in order to create a supposedly ethnically “pure” society.”
I googled “ethnic cleansing” and then individually put in all the countries you mentioned right after it (in parentheses even!), assuming that, had there been “ethnic cleansing” that such phenomenon would’ve been widely reported. I found pretty much nothing. All I found was that recently the Malaysian Security Forces had gassed a protest rally at a temple held by a group called Hindraf and had all the Indian Hindu members arrested. That is horrific, but that is far from “ethnic cleansing.” To be fair, there is definitely discrimination against Hindus especially recently in Malaysia (e.g.halting construction of temples) but that is not “Ethnic cleansing.”
Bangladesh:All it showed was a murder of a Hindu professor and former freedom fighter. Being from Bangladesh myself, I can tell you that there is major discrimination against Hindus, most definitely. There is also discrimination against Muslim Urdu speaking Biharis as well. But still not ethnic cleansing, there aren’t groups that go around talking about the Final Solution” to kill all Hindus from Bangladesh, unlike in India:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0YTMJxx9MQs
Radical terrorist groups that massacre thousands of Hindus every year.
The only case where this may be true is in Kashmir , which is a war zone.Even there, there aren’t massacres every year, but technicall it falls under ethnic cleansing because the Hindus have had to flee as refugees. The Indian security forces have been charged with human rights violations there too as well. Not Gujurat, which wasn’t in war but still had Hindus kill over 1000 people. And heroically rape 250 women to boot. Way to earn that S on your chest, gentlemen. Preferential laws that redistribute money from Hindus to Muslims in India (hajj subsidies, taxing Hindu temples to subsidize mosques) and give Muslims privileges unavailable to Hindus.
How are the vast majority of Muslims responsible for this? Take that up to the Indian govt, b. It’s like blaming Dalits for the affirmative action policies favoring them….oh wait thats what you guys do. Routine riots in India for little things like someone eating a pear while passing a mosque on Ramadan.
Do you have a link for this?
Failure to root out terrorism and extremism from your religion, causing us Hindus to get racially profiled as well (in the West the average Hindu “looks more Muslim” to non-Muslims than the average Muslim. Now it’s Muslims fault that they look like Hindus? wow. Aggression against non-Muslims even in diaspora communities.
The first link was not even religously motivated. The Morrocans vandalising a temple maybe the most solid thing you got so far. Tell me, are there massive global trends that Muslims vandalise Hindu temples across the diaspora?
Anyway, I have no intention to argue all these back and forth because ti essentially will become what I don’t want it become.All I’m saying is that a desi guy could be banging Britney Spears, muhfuckas should be poppin bottles, instead you guys are still hating. What does your hate for Muslims have to do Adnan Ghalib possibly banging Britney Spears, huh?
Once you go Tamil, you’ll realize they’re such babes you want to feed ’em Enfamil.
(sigh)…Harbeer, giving up already? Don’t think I didn’t catch the Himmel uber Berlin reference, I know you’re sweet on me even if I couldn’t skate backwards.
A skater and a poet. I like. A trick question for ya’ JJ: When you say “jawanee” you mean love, not youth right? Hint: say yes.
Bang Gully, most of the hateful comments that have been made were either by a) commenters who are known for less than lucid invective, or b) unknown posters who were most likely trying to bait the conversation. That is also why there was a deafening “silence” in the wake of the posts up-thread that were offensive. I understand your ire, but it’s not worth arguing with people who are baiting you, waiting for an opportunity to derail the thread.
Ennis, I wish I had a rhyme. All I could think of was Punjabi and gulabi, but I couldn’t put any interesting words in between. Sigh, I leave that to more creative mutineers!
Yeah, there’s nothing that quite unites men from different backgrounds, like celebrating the brown objectification of a famous pink mound.
Of rhyming is incapable this Punjabi, but matter it not, for she is as sweet as a gulabi.
If you go Bangladeshi, you’ll be gentrified from Long Island City to the South Bronx in a manner that’s quite hasty.
145 · Camille said
That’s because there’s much better things than words to put between “Punjabi” and “gulabi.” Like sharabi.
If you go Rahul, at least you won’t have to say kabul.
If you go Kannada, you better know some Analytica.