Tipster Scherezade alerts us to a disturbing story out of Guwahati, about a protest gone horribly awry:
Assam was rocked by violence during Saturday’s protests by tribals backed by the All Assam Adivasi Students’ Association (AAASA) students when locals brutally beat them up resulting in at least one death and over 250 people getting injured.
But not only were the Adivasi students beaten up but the women protesters were stripped and molested by the residents of Guwahati.
A local Assamese businessman Ratul Burman was seen attacking a woman after she was stripped during clashes on Saturday. Burman and two others have been arrested. Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi has announced a Rs 1 lakh compensation to the woman.
The Chief Minister has indicated that he wants Burman to receive the “maximum punishment” for his role in this assault. More than 250 people were injured in Saturday’s protests.
In more incidents of violence in Assam two more people have been killed, one of them shot in firing by the army.
Army was called in to stage flag marches in Guwahati on Saturday evening after Adivasi students went on the rampage, looting shops and burning vehicles in Assam’s capital city.
The cause of the protest? A desire for Scheduled Tribe status.
In her tip, Scherezade says:
Residents beat up women who were a part of the All Assam Adivasi Students’ Association (AAASA). Local media has been circulating videos of a businessman constantly hitting a naked woman in the genitals with his boots and beating her with a wooden plank. Heart-breaking stuff. Stories like these almost never catch the eye of the larger(read: western) media. People I know of, who were witness to this horrendous atrocity lie injured in a hospital. It’s tragic.
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Title is a quote from Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi, about Burman’s violent assault on the women in the photograph.
Who the hell fears gyros? They’re delicious. Put a little sauce on them, even better. Kebabophobia I could understand, but gyros? Oh, gy-no! Nevermind. On the other hand, same differnce.
does that really exist? just curious….
Sorry, I didn’t mean it to be condescending. There is a definite implication in both the story and the discussion that Indian courts might not respond as well as human rights advocates would want them to. That’s not a problem specific to India. Very often, courts in ANY democratic society fall down when it comes to applying the law to things which may be politically controversial. Often, political pressure external to the judicial system is necessary.
The major part of that is OBVIOUSLY activism within the country. I know India has a fiercely independent media. But so does America (though less than before), and isn’t always enough to force our courts to treat controversial issues fairly. In some cases, realpolitik helps. My question was whether this was one of these cases. If it’s not, fine.
@102,
Here it exists “Gynophobia is a traumatic stress disorder that causes a great amount of discomfort in a person when placed in social situations with women. Gynophobics often become withdrawn and quiet, frustrated, sad, and/or antisocial in general when the psychosomatic symptoms of gynophobia surface.”
oh….i thought it was someone who is afraid of v@ginas….
Like this one?
Al beruni, I couldn’t make out whether you were in full agreement with SJB or if you were mocking her/him?
Shyamajiu
My comments were part of a larger thread in which I pointed out that many commentators quickly went from the sad tragedy of the victim to very general comments about indian men, society, caste system etc. My observation is that this type of comment is reserved for “lesser” cultures and not for western societies.
When westerners behave appallingly there is always nuance and care taken to distinguish between the action and the culture as a whole. SO the invasion of Iraq and careless murder of its people or the 2 million dead vietnamese has nothing to do with american culture in general, it has to do with George Bush or LBJ and so is carefully contextualized. But this treatment is not given to the “lesser” folks who are “over there”.
SJB is a good example of this type of hypocrisy. Based on this atrocity she freely condemns ALL indian men and indian society in general.
What makes you think I’m a “she”? curious.
SM Intern, it wasn’t meant as an insult. I’ve been a regular reader for over a year and have never participated in discussions because I personally (through my own observations) have found the comments thus. I’ve even read the outrage more than once by SM bloggers (eg. judging or insulting women under discussion based solely on their appearance). I can pull up specific examples for you, if you insist. I do not believe that I have made assumptions or mischaracterizations, and I take issue with you questioning or being dismissive of my personal experience.
“I sometimes wish to go back to that country, then something like this happens and I remember why I left in the first place.” I sometimes have similar sentiments. But I don’t think this is the best attitude to follow. We can only run from these problems to some point- You can run but you can’t hide.
To the men who claim that they would’nt have stood by when such a crime was being committed, I would like to say, I don’t know if you are of an incredibly courageous nature but I suspect you’ve never been in such a situation where you could’ve done something. I’ve seen some situations where about 12 ppl have beaten up 1 person and nobody to help. This is very different to situations in the west. These are not frat boys or simple college kids. And the question that goes throught every man is “if I do something will I be the person to be beaten up?” And people never usually think how they can stop it. But all in all, heroics will not stop anything. You may have saved that particular person but you haven’t stopped the cause of this conflict.
Just something to think about.
JT
I disagree with you that individual actions do not matter because “you haven’t stopped the cause of this conflict”. Individual actions especially those demonstrating humanity and compassion often have great impact and may ultimately help with the big picture. And, yes, I agree that they dont amount to solving the “big” problem – jihadism, ethnic hierarchies, lack of law and order…
SJB
I was under the impression you had self-identified as “she”, if I am wrong, I am happy to deal with you as a he. My main goal here is to get folks like you to understand that you have been programmed with a two-track mindset: one reserved for the powerful – today mostly the west – and the other for “lesser” peoples and cultures. And that this often manifests in expressions of disgust and stereotyping for the “lesser” people based on a single story or incident.
As I have pointed out, the horrific atrocities that involve the west are rarely given the same treatment. For examples, consider the recent pedophilia within the catholic church or the free use of western airpower in civilian areas in Irag and Afghanistan. Almost no one will have the kind of stereotypical comment and reaction that you exhibited wrt Indian culture and society. So my suggestion for you is to spend some time asking yourself why this is so….
It is not so.
The peodophilia of the Catholic Church caused alot of reflection and commentary on the culture of religious societies that promote celibacy.
The Iraq war caused alot of reflection and commentary on the nature of testosterone fueled organized and corporate violent cultures like America.
The porn culture of America has caused alot of reflection and commentary on the nature of America’s male dominated media and sexuality.
I’ve yet to see any crime committed anywhere not have it’s environment and culture taken into account.
Criminal psychology is all about that – taking into account and analysing the criminal’s local and wider cultural (essentially psychological) environment that may have influenced him/her to commit the crime.
Shyamajiu
And how many people say things like: all white christians are brutal and violent and war-like, all catholics are child-rapists etc.
Very few and correctly so. But many interactors on this blog felt free to connect the atrocity against this women with indian culture and traditions in general.
Here are some sample quotes:
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Show me similar statements about US behavior in Vietnam or Irag OR the catholic church pedophilia. You wont find them from reasonable people anywhere.
SJB: poor form. What was your comment (if not insulting) to allege something so serious, especially when many of us have called out misogyny and would not continue to read a site where the discussion is gynophobic? You are generous to exempt the bloggers from your sweeping appraisal, but unkind to your peers. The rest of your retort is so very defensive. To resort to the “how dare you!” at the end was unfair. No one was dismissing you. If you get to say something outrageous about an entire community, you’re inviting someone to call you on it. You don’t get to diss and run.
i disagree with the substance of SJBs comments, and he strikes me as an annoying scold, but when people talk without qualifiers, most of the time i just add them on mentally. if you tell me “america is racist” i get the gist of what you’re saying and i assume you don’t mean all americans. all these qualifiers and nuances take the joie de vivre out of the convo.
nonetheless, good smackdown #115
But that would seem logic. Not so long ago there was the Japanese ex-sex-slave and history denial controversy. I would really want to see what the outcome is when you would put all the high school history books in the world together. How true and just would the Indian, Pakistani, Palestinian, Israeli etc. be?
I’m not sure what the reason behind – the covering up of history /denial of crimes against humanity/selective media coverage are – but I assume it should have something to do with a collective self-esteem/self image and the economic benefits of preventing ‘bad advertising’ for a country.
Nobody wants to buy cookies from a murderer.
I’m not sure if I understood you but basically we are trapped in our own classifications and think far more collective than assumed?
I was thinking that when a civilian here commits outrageously brutal inhumane crimes he/she’s is classified either as a serial killer, mentally disturbed a gang member etc. but not as one of ‘us’/the normal civilians so that blame isn’t put upon ourselves and that is indeed so contradictory with what you mentioned in another post about the reactions of outrage against the Indian government, society, men etc.
How many rapists, serial killers, child abusers, football hooligans etc. evoke a collective outrage against the government or society here?
Maybe we desis’s possess a collective sentiment of misplaced self-hate. Whenever there’s a family gathering or a desi-get-together I can count on endless Uncle complaints and sighs about how corrupt, backwards, barbaric etc. things back in India are but some constructive criticism stays out. (Am I the only one who got thrown to death with the comment: ‘if only we would work together’)
Back to Chameli. How should you look at that? Failure of government policy? failure of male emancipation? as an individual act? a social problem that concerns us all? or should we also we be singing yeh hum naheen?
Or as Manju mentioned above what should be the response from the diaspora?
well, i have this game i play. when i meet someone who looks at me and then tells me in their introduction that s/he is a feminist, i count the number of sentences before i am accused—indirectly of course—of being a wife-beater, wife-burner (that i never got—if i burn her, how can i beat her as well?), and being pointed out of the current in-the-news story about how badly men in india behave.
i remember a friend of mine who had an arranged marriage and came back with his wife here. some of his “friends”—not a majority, but not a small number either—actually assumed she had had no say in it. they treated him like shit for a few days—vague insinuations on everything the poor couple did. and get this: his doctor even shouts at the guy and asks his wife how old she was when he married her.
xyz: “i don’t want to be cremated after i die”, turns to me and adds, “but anyway you all burn your women”. of course, when time came to donate to a charity—which educated little unburnt girls—that i was working for, not a cent from xyz. maybe because i am corrupt as well? 🙂
so here is all there is to it: it is the story of human history, people want to diss on others—out of racism, hate, jealousy, general troubles in life or what not. some ethnicities are easy prey, and we are one of them. if you are a desi guy, you could be doing all the good things you want, but to someone who doesn’t know, a blond swedish guy is a feminist and you burn your wife after taking dowry.
other’s perception molds how some people think, and what you see as “self hate” or “collective thinking” is a way out of the niche you are placed in whether you like it or not.
not that i am advocating that—personally i think you get ahead when you do as eric cartman does: “screw you guys, i am“. my insurance against racism is what i think of myself—if i think i am doing what my responsibilities are in helping others, i couldn’t care less what sjb, barack obama, kkk or osama bin laden thinks of me.
i think there is no point harping on this side topic. can you find a way to help this woman? teach her to speak in a wider forum to help others rather than remain a victim? if so, do it. if not, find something else that is constructive. please don’t mope around and obsess over what others think.
I know this is completely off topic but just a friendly tip: if you want to get a welfare project financed check what the Ministry of Foreign affairs can do for you. I don’t know how they arrange things in America but I assume it’s not that different from Europe. Especially when you are a student like moi you can get subsidy for various of projects. Also write to pharmaceutical companies for donations. When I was younger the law here still allowed to deduct donations from the taxable income so back then they were more than willingly to donate and the money I needed was quickly raised. If the law in America still allows companies to deduct donations I wouldn’t hesitate to approach those companies!
(But if I opened my big trap way too soon and you already knew about this, please do consider this comment as non-existent 🙂 )
True but should you reinforce what other people think by distance yourself from what is yours? I don’t think it’s that unfair to question the approach towards violence on the subcontinent in comparison to the approach of violence here.
How healty is it to profile with ‘morally inferior’ roots and claim that you fled from the horors of the subcontinent into the save arms of the West. Is it not in everybody’s interest to create a mental space where there is room to give the subcontinent more credit and put things in perspective instead of maintaining in a state of apathy.
I think obsess is big word here but you’re right the topic was already done. Just to clarify; my comment wasn’t necessarily directed at the opinions of others as the same sentiments pop-up in my head too. I don’t think I’ve ‘said it’ when I use the term selfhate but it’s more questioning my own motives within the desi-psyche who dictates the interactions in our society and affect us all. It’s confusing.
Everytime when you think you ‘figured it out’ 10 other comments will pop-up to tell you it ain’t so.
The persons who in this mess with the lady should be punished in same way as they have done with the adabasi lady