Mmmm, snark:
Leger poll shows Sikhs are the least liked religion in Canada (liked by only 53% of Canadians). Jews are the most liked minority religion (78%), Muslims at 61%. No data on Christians, or on people who commission really stupid polls. [Ikram]
But what about Jewish Sikhs? Feh. Fresh from the News Tab, some meshugge story in the Montreal Gazette which deserves Ikram’s (and perhaps your) scorn; Canadians apparently respect Sikhs less than members of other religions, and the amount of contact a Canadian has with a person influences their perception of them. Shocking, but true.
Asked whether they had a favourable opinion of each group, the 1,500 people surveyed by Léger Marketing across Canada said they hold Jews in the highest esteem (78 per cent), Muslims considerably lower (61 per cent) and Sikhs least of all (53 per cent).
And in each case, how much a person approves of one of the minority religions depends on how much contact he or she has had with them. The more contact, the higher the esteem, the poll found.
Forty-five per cent of Canadians are in contact with Jews often or occasionally, according to the poll. Only 37 per cent are in touch with Muslims, and only 21 per cent with Sikhs.
One thing to keep in mind– there are fewer Jewish people than Muslims, in Canada (pronounced Kuh-NAH-da, natch).
According to the 2001 federal census (religion data from the 2006 census are not yet available), there are 330,000 Jews in Canada and 580,000 Muslims. Sikhs number 278,000.
Y’all need to hold some Bhangra Blowout-esque event in Quebec. 😉
Sikhs are best-known in B.C. (44 per cent), Alberta (30 per cent) and Ontario (25 per cent); they’re virtually unknown in Quebec (four per cent, lowest in the country).
But if it is any consolation, people in Quebec also had the least favorable views on Jews. Ha! I rhymed.
Only 69 per cent of Quebecers have a favourable opinion of Jews – the lowest level in Canada. By contrast, Jews are held in highest esteem in the Maritimes (85 per cent), the Prairies (84 per cent) and Ontario (80 per cent).
Familiarity breeds respect, in British Columbia:
Muslims fare best in Ontario and the Maritimes (about 66 per cent) and worst in Quebec (52 per cent). Sikhs are best-regarded in B.C. (66 per cent), Ontario (59 per cent) and Alberta (51 per cent).
Behold, the confusion:
About one in 10 people polled refused to answer the question or simply didn’t know what they thought, except regarding Sikhs. For Sikhs, a higher percentage – one in four – refused or didn’t answer, perhaps reflecting lack of knowledge of Sikhs (except in B.C., where 14 per cent declined to answer or had no opinion).
And now, for you freaks who like statistics and methods and other things which have given me hives, since grad school:
Conducted for the Montreal-based Association for Canadian Studies, the telephone poll was done over seven days from Aug. 22 to 28. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 per cent, 19 times out of 20.
The only useful thought I have regarding this survey is that we create understanding when we interact with others, as opposed to segregating ourselves; we need to educate our friends, coworkers and classmates, when it is feasible and comfortable to do so. The useless thought? One day, all white people should know as much about India as Gwen Stefani does…dating and singing songs about how a cute brown boy broke their heart…optional. 😉
Ohmygosh! Is it OK to ‘not care’ about blacks and Latinos as well because of a few violent gangsters?
America is the most modernized and developed nation in the world, and has an excess of thugs and gangsters, big-bad-men (hell, America exports gangster chic around the world in its music and movies), and it also has lots of industrious p*ssies too (doing scientific blogs and stuff like that)
But yeah, gangsters are fools.
FLASHY cars.
What I’m trying to say is you need to control immigration. Also you need to encourage intergation and yes some may not like this, a west is best attutide among newcomers.
Also maybe get immigrants from other parts of India, other then Punjab to Western Canada.
Razib, I thought the poll showed that people didn’t like groups that they didn’t interact with as much?
it’s a correlation. but anyway, 37% interaction with muslims, 21% with sikhs, but there are also 2 X as many muslims as sikhs…more possibilities of interaction. but an issue might be what people think of sikhs when they don’t interact. what does a typical person know about sikhs? perhaps television programs about criminals? in other words, lack of knowledge isn’t the only issue, it is the selection of knowledge that they do know. in contrast in the USA many americans stereotype brown people as professionals or motel owners. not gangstas.
i have been to the u.s., india, and france, spending at least 4 months in each place over the last three years. the rest of my life i have been in canada……….the bottom line is that canada is THE MOST RACIST place on the planet. they don’t have the balls to say anything to your face; that would be uncanadian/non-white/un-vagina-like……..but the hate in these peoples hearts is incredible……….almost as incredible as their inferiority complex…really, they should just join beg america to let them in. i’m sure the vast land can be used as a wasteland or for something else productive…….canadians are all turds, even the minorities, who in most cases behave even whiter and more pussy-like than their white masters…….criminals/petty thugs/drug dealers/wannabe thugs come in all hues, in all cultures, in all countries, in all societies; that there are a few drug dealers means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things…..let’s say it together brown people, canada can suck my fuckn balls.
But Amitabh, this isn’t happening in the US, right across the border, or in Malaya or East Africa, or even the UK as much. All of which have significant Sikh communities. More to the point, in the UK and Canada, browns occupy roughly the same spot in the overall socio-econo-cultural system. SES and human capital of entry cohorts in both UK and Canada is, as far as I know, roughly comparable. And an overwhelmingly large number of whites in British Columbia, where Vancouver is located, are of British descent. So both the host and the immigrant populations have the same SES and general cultural-racial attitudes as in the UK, but it is in Vancouver that you have the drugs and gangs. I still wonder why that is.
America is the most modernized and developed nation in the world, and has an excess of thugs and gangsters, big-bad-men (hell, America exports gangster chic around the world in its music and movies), and it also has lots of industrious p*ssies too (doing scientific blogs and stuff like that)
and the thug and gangster is responsible for america’s economic productivity? of course not. go to silicon valley or wall street or a farm or a factory. thugs and gangsters are economic parasites. you know that of course. anyone from a country racked with corruption where thuggery and gangsterism have become mainstream and official knows very well that it isn’t the road to national well being. in america people who are thugs and gangsters do what they do because they have no other options to swagger like an alpha. melbourne desi’s lionization of social pathology is repulsive. he should move back to bihar and chill with his bad ass homies.
the west has enough posers and gangsters. the rest of the world does not have the time for such rubbish. youth around the world that imitate american gangsta culture are a very small percentage of the population. ignorant, GANGSTA Americans : p
big-bad-men: UK (pakis, chavs)..USA (blacks, latinos, some whites)…Germany…Italy…Canada…Portugal?
industrious p*ssies: China…France…Spain…Switzerland?
The canadians seem to be more liberal and accepting than americans, yet I have had more than a few of them express strong dislike for sikhs. Gangsterism, khalistani “scythian” terrorism etc combined with the physical appearance of sikhs probably accounts for the fear and loathing. I also suspect that many decent canadians are repulsed by the obscene and outspoken racism of many sikhs towards non-punjabi indians.
Reality check: pakistanis in the UK, who are overwhelmingly punjabi, are also the most disliked minority there. What “amazing success and penetration” are you boasting about?
And if you want to raise the volume again just point out the fact that the “proud scythian jatts” are actually descended from low caste sudra peasants 🙂
more guju/south indian/bengali/bangladeshi = more dravidian-looking people = good
Dont tell that to puliogre, razib, and the numerous other “dravidians” here who openly and unashamedly and exclusively lust after non-dravidian girls. They just wont believe that “more guju/south indian/bengali/bangladeshi = more dravidian-looking people = good”….
I still wonder why that is.
i thought canada gave asylum to a disproportion number of ‘political refugees’ after ’84? a hard core of ‘activists.’
Sorry mate – dont understand your point.
My point was about individuals – nothing to do with nations. I was saying that the desis around the world are mostly well off but wimps. We certainly need many more bad boys and girls to create a well-rounded image.
The sub-continental has a high degree of industriousness. Dont see them being developed!! Power flows ….. Yeah Japan is rich but nobody fears them. Now consider China.
I have to say, there was something really refreshing about hanging out with desis in Southall, where there is much less personal and material ambition, and more of a social and relaxed attitude…the simple things in life, like having a drink (or two or three or more) with friends at the local pub, interacting with extended family (who all live nearby), getting drunk, dancing bhangra (or better yet watching it performed live)…going to kabbadi matches, melas, weddings, having langar at the local gurdwara…no one thinks their life is going to be any better in 20 years…but ‘chal riha hai’…so enjoy. Not much pressure put on kids, which can be both good and bad. I’m not saying it’s perfect or doesn’t have its flaws (or that I would trade my life for that) but it was good to see an alternative or different way of life too. Just gives you a little perspective.
. I was saying that the desis around the world are mostly well off but wimps. We certainly need many more bad boys and girls to create a well-rounded image.
that’s not true. they are the underclass in malaysia. in singapore they are almost at the same level as the chinese, but are divided by much more inequality (professionals vs. construction workers). in the UK the pakistanis and bangladeshis are not doing so hot. in south africa the muslim gujaratis are the economic elite, the other indians are doing better than the african population, but they aren’t necessarily living large. in trinidad they control the private sector, but they’re not that well off. there is a reason nearly as many guyanese live abroad as within in guyana.
The sub-continental has a high degree of industriousness. Dont see them being developed!!
actually economic productivity in large sectors is pretty low. part of this is working harder but not smarter, and human capital isn’t good (the illiteracy rates are really high). but obviously the institutions don’t exactly reward industriousness because the p*ssies will get ripped off by the thugs (in my family it is pretty clear that the spoils have gone to the sly, not those who remained and shot straight).
I wonder if there needs to a Little Gurdwara on the Prairie show…
I don’t think melbourne desi was talking about the productivity of a nation. Maybe he or she meant it would be cool to have some tough guys so people won’t get their faces ground into the dirt by racists, or whimsically meant it would be good to counteract the image of nerds, geeks and gimps that South Asians tend to have. Know anything about that?
That’s a joke by the way, meant for the sense of humor DNA or something.
Ahhh take a chill pill.
Mate – that is a xenophobic comment. Your comments would be most welcome in a KKK meeting. And you sound like any ‘white american’ telling browns / latinos to go back to where they came from.
Why should I move back to Bihar? If I were to move back (which I am not) I would do so to Cochin or Bangalore or Chennai not to Bihar.
Thank you Joey Staples. Precisely what I should have said.
I’m loving the bigotry free-for-all here! It’s great!
Is it anything like your obscene and outspoken racism towards Sikhs and by the sound of it, other groups like Pakistanis? I’d love to be a spectator at your camp fire.
umm…please dont speak for me. i dont “exclusively” lust after anything. im an equal opportunity drty bastard. i love south indian grls.
.And you sound like any ‘white american’ telling browns / latinos to go back to where they came from.
some of them would be better if they went back where they came from with the attitude that they harbor toward their homeland. i think the yearning for a ‘well rounded image’ is pretty short-sighted. this is like the chris rock sketch about jews and asians complaining about their stereotypes. rock noted that he really would trade “big-lipped watermelon eater” for the streotype of “good with money” or “good at school.”
so brownz in some places are stereotyped as nerds. so what? that is an issue if you are 17 and a virgin. but in the long run it keeps the demand for the work of ‘community activists’ low.
no thanks. don’t want to die by poisoned saag … 🙂
sathya @109, you are hilarious. i bow to your mining any and every troll-like sentiment (scythians are awful/indians suck/dravidians on sm are self-loathing) in your unceasing efforts to instigate flame wars. is it infidelity if i experience uncontrolled carnal lust for both this and your prema persona?
Indeed. There’s a lot of brown rednecks out here, have you noticed? The funniest thing with these chaps is that they spend their lives convinced they are different from the ‘brown scum’ they hilariously curse for amusement and acceptance, and then one day get slapped with the same racist tongue / fist and spend the rest of their lives on medication.
Dont tell that to puliogre, razib, and the numerous other “dravidians” here who openly and unashamedly and exclusively lust after non-dravidian girls. They just wont believe that “more guju/south indian/bengali/bangladeshi = more dravidian-looking people = good”….
i like blondes. i don’t lust after non-dravidian girls, which would include the whole sample space of the female universe. and since when are bengalis dravidians? we speak an indo-aryan language. of course we tend to have black skin and look more like tamils than punjabis, but just say kala then or something.
Sports! Didn’t we just have a whole threadon that? Applies to both diaspora and home populations.
and then one day get slapped with the same racist tongue / fist and spend the rest of their lives on medication.
oh puleez. i’ve been jumped by cowboys. i fought back. i’m not in psychotherapy. being profiled at airports or being called a “sand nigger” by inbred lower class whites is far preferable to being a black man in america. and no one would call them nerds.
i just ignore them as they slither back to their shithole dwellings in the ozarks.
wait a sec, should have read that more carefully before replying. wtf does anything have to do with low-castes and sudras, and why should I taunt them with that.
butter, that’s a troll with a particular modus and history.
I sort of have a negative image of the sikhs from canada (as well as punjabis, tamils and most south asian muslims in canada) A significant proportion of the under thirty folks i met had a tough guy attitude.
I agree with razib_the_atheist here quite a bit on issues of industriousness/thugs gangster
I would add only one thing to this is such surveys dont reveal truth. Personally I find canadian jews moronic for demanding and getting away with religions intervention in legal matters.
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Are you being sarcastic? And if not, where did you spend most of those 20 years in Canada? (rural, urban….)
Oh great, you’re a tough guy. That’s all we need, tough guys.
Why did you fight back? Are you a thug or something? You should know your place. Next time you get called a sand nigger thank that man for it. And then carry on cussing on whole groups of brown people for your cowboy friend’s edification. Bow scrape scrape.
Why did you fight back? Are you a thug or something? You should know your place. Next time you get called a sand nigger thank that man for it. And then carry on cussing on whole groups of brown people for your cowboy friend’s edification. Bow scrape scrape.
what kind of definition makes thugs and gangsters the only people who would fight back? i fight when i have to, but i don’t swagger like an alpha when i’m semi-literate and lionize proactive violence, strutting and law-breaking as a means toward getting rich. like i said, a nerd at 17 is a confident professional with good credit at 35. you need to change your time preference.
this is like saying that training women in self-defence for their protection is equivalent to having armies of castrating women vigilantes around. there is a difference in responding with an appropriate degree of force, and instigating or engaging in unprovoked violence.
OK, phew, thanks for explaining, so you’re like the all round package, like a combination of nerd and tough guy, I get it. And anyone who says anything you dislike should f*ck off back to Bihar, spoken like a true bullying imbiber of the most racist rhetoric out there. If you said that to some people’s face you might end up like the cowboy you pretended to punch out after he called you a sand nigger.
Lol only a brahmin/baaniya/bhappaey would make such a comment. Its interesting that as a brahmin, you would mock Jatts ….it would be along the same lines as a holocauste surviving jew making fun of his american or soviet liberators.
Lol only a brahmin/baaniya/bhappaey would make such a comment. Its interesting that as a brahmin, you would mock Jatts ….it would be along the same lines as a holocauste surviving jew making fun of his american or soviet liberators.
Lol only a brahmin/baaniya/bhappaey would make such a comment. Its interesting that as a brahmin, you would mock Jatts ….it would be along the same lines as a holocauste surviving jew making fun of his american or soviet liberators.
there’s a troll, not a brahmin. there’s a backstory.
And anyone who says anything you dislike should f*ck off back to Bihar, spoken like a true bullying imbiber of the most racist rhetoric out there.
i told m,d. to go back to bihar because they had worked there at one point, and i am to understand that there’s no shortage of the brown thugs and gangsters there that they feel a lack of in australia. put your money where your words on if thuggery and ganstery are traits which you pine for.
Yeah I know, I was just yanking his chain, you know, the chain of the sand nigger who tells other sand niggers to f*ck off back to Bihar, and all the other sand niggers who spend their time revelling in surveys of bigotry.
Since when did speaking a language change your race or your looks? I was responding to the post that lumped bangalis, tamils and gujus as “dravidian-looking”.
By the way, since you acknowledge that bengalis tend to be “kalas”, do explain why you were so excited by the new genetic technology that makes it possible to abort kala children to ensure that the next generation of desis can be as “light as possible”??
do explain why you were so excited by the new genetic technology that makes it possible to abort kala children to ensure that the next generation of desis can be as “light as possible”??
no, i won’t need to make recourse to it.
By the way, since you acknowledge that bengalis tend to be “kalas”, do explain why you were so excited by the new genetic technology that makes it possible to abort kala children to ensure that the next generation of desis can be as “light as possible”??
oh, and for genetic reasons which you’re too dumb to understand punjabis will be making use of it (two words you can look up: heterozygosity & segregation are clues).
Jeez….he really said that? Seriously? Wow….
A racist eugenicist Bengali nerd who is also a tough guy kung fu master when cowboys call him a sand nigger? The new master race starts here.
Anyone who says anything to him should f*ck off back to Bihar.
The new master race starts here.
LOL. perhaps.
sathya @140, you sly vixen, you. you just made me come so hard in my pants.
A lot of these comments seem to be ignoring the positive news that British Columbians — the Canadians who actually interact with Sikhs — have a large majority with a positive image of them.
As to the negative image in the country as a whole, I would blame the mass media. They love to play up stories about Sikhs wanting to wear turbans and/or kirpans in situations where they are allegedly unsafe. The big story being pimped by the media now is the issue of veiled Muslim women voting, without a picture ID that shows their face. It’s the same story as Sikh Mounties wearing turbans in a different guise.
But remember, looking at the statistics it’s clear that the vast majority of Canadians who don’t like Sikhs live in areas where there aren’t any.
That’s reassuring. No doubt there are issues to be confronted by all minority communities, but this observation restores your faith in humanity and friendship. All the mind mangled self loathing racists, weirdo bigots, Dr Frankensteins and revellers in hate that emerged on this thread will go to bed depressed now.
While I agree that the media play up these kinds of stories – I would think, on the whole, they reflect, and perhaps reinforce, more widely-held attitudes within the society. I do not find this particularly reassuring.
Or if it is that the media are leading an ‘otherizing’ campaign – pointing fingers at Sikhs and Muslims and making them look more different and threatening, then that is not reassuring either.
Hector..Joey Staples?? WTF?!?! Ha ha, interesting names.
Off topic but I love Punjabi kuriyen. But these Punjabi Girls – They kill you if you tell them that you slept with a white girl before them, and then they ask us why we are so good in bed !
…and ‘spicy brown munda’ is normal
gr!m…