Many of you may remember my previous post about the two Lodi, CA men (father and son) being tried for terrorism:
U.S. v. Hamid Hayat and Umer HayatFederal criminal charges alleging that a 47-year-old California father and his 22-year-old son lied to the FBI about training at and/or visiting al Qaeda terrorist and jihadi training camps in Pakistan. (June 7, 2005)
The Los Angeles Times provides details from their ongoing trial:
In a 2004 visit to a clandestine camp in Pakistan, Umer Hayat said he witnessed nearly 1,000 terrorist trainees — masked like “ninja turtles” — slashing curved swords at dummies with images of President Bush, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and former Secretary of State Colin Powell.In a videotaped interrogation by FBI agents shown in federal court Tuesday, Hayat said trainees at the camp allegedly attended by his son also practiced pole vaulting “like 50 feet” so they could leap rivers.
Hayat, 47, an ice cream truck driver, and his son Hamid, 23, both of Lodi, are on trial in Sacramento. Hamid Hayat is accused of attending a terrorist training camp, and both are accused of lying to federal agents.
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p>The son is the one who the FBI thinks visited the terrorist training camp and he faces up to 39 years in prison. The dad, who faces up to 16 years in prison, is basically accused of trying to protect his son by covering up the facts. Here is the part that got my attention though. I have seen this a thousand times on episodes of NYPD Blue or The Shield, but it caught me off guard to see it in real life, even though I know how it’s done. Check it out:
As in the videotaped interrogation of Hamid Hayat shown earlier in the trial, the FBI agents did most of the talking and sometimes appeared to reassure the Hayats, who speak halting English, about their actions.FBI agent Timothy Harrison described attending training camps in Pakistan as “an important part of growing up there.” FBI agent Gary Schaaf characterized terrorist camps as a rite of passage for Pakistani males. Another agent described Umer Hayat’s visit to the camp as the equivalent of a father inspecting a child’s college campus.
Defense attorney Johnny L. Griffin said Umer Hayat was “psychologically bullied and emotionally pressured into doing whatever the FBI agents wanted him to say or do.”
Why the hell didn’t they have a lawyer present? Were they tricked into speaking on the record without one because they didn’t understand English too well, or because they just didn’t want one? There is also the matter of the informant “Wildcat” (no, he didn’t go to the University of Arizona). The defense claims he is just looking to make a quick buck and got the Hayats to exaggerate their exploits:
Key to the government case, Griffin said, is the credibility of FBI informant Naseem Khan, who went from a fast-food worker and convenience store manager to a full-time FBI operative who earned more than $200,000 in salary and bonuses.The FBI referred to their plant in Lodi’s Muslim community by the code name “Wildcat.” But Griffin said Tuesday that Khan’s greed for FBI cash caused him to push and prod the Hayats to exaggerate their Pakistani terrorism connections.
“Wildcat literally cashed in on the war on terror,” Griffin said.
The dad, who faces up to 16 years in prison, is basically accused of trying to protect his son by covering up the facts.
Oh god, that’s so sad if that’s what happened. . In the Name of the Father, anybody? Overall not the world’s best movie, but I think I started bawling in the theater when the inmates dropped the flaming papers out the window in a “candlelit” memorial for gentle papa Giuseppe. There’s nothing worse than dragging your parents into your own troubles.
LOL @ rite of passage. That just cracks me up.
If true, this is the saddest part.
Couldn’t agree more Deepa, If they are innocent and were sandbagged, it is indeed very tragic. Btw, Abhi, How did you divine from the above report that the Hayat’s didn’t have an attorney present during interrogation?
Oh well, seems like hollywood is after all, not so creative. Or could it be that FBI is very hollywoodish?? Hmmm.. On the serious note, lot of things unsaid and fuzzy. What did Khan really suggest FBI?
Because if they did have a lawyer he/she has got to be the most stupid lawyer in the U.S. I could have provided better legal advice simply because I watch The Shield. No divination was required.
I think Abhi is right about the attorney not being present. What I want to know is where they were questioned upon Hamid’s return to the US. If they were at home (not “in custody”), the FBI would have not needed to advise them about legal counsel. These days, it would be wise for anyone questioned about anything related to the t-word to immediately seek counsel. Confessions must be voluntary. Considering the circumstances I think this situation is inherently coercive. The Government holds all the cards.
As for that informant, I realize that incentives must be offered…but this situation is ripe for abuse by someone with an ax to grind or who wants to keep his ass out of the fire. Tax dollar$ at work.
In Hindi there is a proverb – “Jaisi Karni, waisi bharni” meaning similar to – whatever you sow, you reap. The madarsas and the jihadi camps are not just in Pakistan. They are found in all muslim populated areas – be it India, Indonesia, Middle East, France, Germany, UK etc. etc. Its certain religious leaders in mosques and in these madarsas who have started this hate campaign and have brainwashed people. The funding is coming from insane grants received from the certain OPEC countries and their rulers in the name of religion. I wonder what will happen when the oil tap runs dry. I am sensing that better sense will prevail especially since the world opinion of the moderates is getting stronger. The first jolt has already been delivered to the hardliners by recent visit of Pres Bush. Its not just carrots from now on.
Do you people really believe there was some overall fbi conspiracy here? Come on – an abusive situation which they taped – Call me crazy but I can’t imagine the fbi coercing this guy while taping the whole thing – it doesn’t make since. Further, have you overlooked the fact that this guy admits he went to a terrorist training camp where they trained young men to kill Americans in the name of jihad – an admission which was later backed up and corroborated by the admissions of his father. I’m all for a father protecting his son, but protecting his son by lying about his attendance at a terrorist training camp seems a little too much.